64GB-P2 announced... so WHEN will prices of 32GB etc. drop?

drdimento said:
Oh well, that's how much I know about the competition's formats huh? How about the HDV format though, how is it fairing the format war? I know a lot of people that have it here in Pittsburgh.
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Its great. The thing that scare people towards HDV is the price of P2s. Thats what scared me away from the HVX at first. I could of had it a year ago. Instead i bought an hdv camera thinking the hdv tapes would be cheeper. Ehh i was wrong. In a year of shooting i spent close to a grand on tapes :(. Oops, haha, and i got my HVX with a free 8 gig too!
In the long run p2 format is cheeper, people like me just dont realize it at first.
 
4Gb cards are nice because you can directly burn them to DVDs for backup. Or 8Gb cards to DVD Dual Layer. 32Gb to blu-ray once burners and media ge t cheaper.
 
I hope that when the 64's come out that the 32's will drop, then I am buying the 32's. I don't know how you guys can work with those 4 gig cards if you're shooting HD. I would think that one would constantly be swapping out cards.
 
i love my hvx.. but 2 large cards like 2 64's or higher scare me a bit.. imagine ur shooting a wedding or other live event and some error occurs... all i can say is i would only use 64 cards in a situation other than live events where i coulnd handle an error. Thats why on live events i usually have a second cam rolling..usually an hdv cam just in case of a disaster.. hehe
 
JitCam said:
i love my hvx.. but 2 large cards like 2 64's or higher scare me a bit.. imagine ur shooting a wedding or other live event and some error occurs... all i can say is i would only use 64 cards in a situation other than live events where i coulnd handle an error. Thats why on live events i usually have a second cam rolling..usually an hdv cam just in case of a disaster.. hehe
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Has anyone actually had an error where an entire card gets corrupted? Maybe a clip, or some weird artificatting if importing when not set to read only... but correct me if I am wrong as I very well could be, but I haven't heard of any corruption problems where an entire card goes bad. There's no moving parts, either.

How about even a single clip getting corrupt and unusable? Has that even happen?
 
filmguy123 said:
How about even a single clip getting corrupt and unusable? Has that even happen?
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I have been shooting with 4's and 16's for 2 years. About a year ago I had some tiny dots appear in the image when I started editing in FCP 5.1...( I hadn't even had time to view the P2's before formatting the cards and continuing to shoot)

...but of course this turned out to be a funky Quick time import. I checked the P2 files in the import window in FCP and, fortunately, redid the import without a problem.

So the answer is no. Never had even one problem.

BTW, I wish I could say the same for the 5 years I spent dealing with tape droputs on mini DV tape.

I have, however, had error problems restoring P2 files from a DVD. (twice) I now make 2 copies, and only use TDK or HP media. (Both failures were with Maxell blanks....coincidence? Maybe, but I am still paranoid about my P2 backups, and can not afford the tons of drive space to allocate to them)

P2 forever.
 
I was formatting cards for the local camera house in preparation for another shoot. When I tried to format one of the cards, the camera told me that it was an incompatible card. It didn't even recognze the card. The card was a 16 gb and was replaced at no cost to the rental house. In response to what filmguy123 said... it was fine because the shoot was over, but the entire card was jacked. What if I would have been unloading those on set? I haven't personally had any problems with P2 myself and will continue to shoot tapeless, but It does make one think.
 
Has anyone actually had an error where an entire card gets corrupted? Maybe a clip, or some weird artificatting if importing when not set to read only... but correct me if I am wrong as I very well could be, but I haven't heard of any corruption problems where an entire card goes bad. There's no moving parts, either.
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i have never had any problems either with my p2 card.. i have a 16gb card. As far as errors i have read a few posts of people loosing footage.. its not common however so this is a good thing.. and at the end of the day tape can mess up also.. thats why on live events i tend to have 2 cams, the hvx and an hdv cam.. so if one of them mess up i can still salvage footage.. hehe
 
yeah... that's what I thought. So I'm not too worried about a 64gb P2 card. At HD, thats about the same as 64 minutes of tape - so if something goes wrong, same as something going wrong on a tape, and probably less likely. The solution should be a backup camera, not a ton of 4gb P2 cards - lame! (Thats just my opinion! :) )
 
Here's a thought: Did we have a backup camera shooting when we used tape 'just in case' the tape went bad?
 
I have had three P2 card mishaps over the years. I shot the footage but did not download it in one of the three cases. I think it was before the HVX-200 had the repair clip function and in all three cases, the clips showed up with red Xs through them and the clips were unreadable and unusable. In one case, a specific card was shot and all of the footage just disappeared, the card had blank clips that were gray.

P2 is not perfect but it's been over a year and half since I have seen any issues. These were all in the early days of the HVX when I think that there may have been a few bugs in the system somehow. None of the gear was my personal gear either, it belonged to the prodco I was at and several people used the gear.

Dan
 
patssle said:
Here's a thought: Did we have a backup camera shooting when we used tape 'just in case' the tape went bad?
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I just did a shoot with a tape camera last weekend and it was an important one for a new client. I did bring a backup camera, just in case.

But I don't always but sometimes when it is a local shoot and I am not flying, I do bring my DVX when shooting with HVX. If the HVX broke, it would be better to have the shoot on Mini DV in most cases, than not at all.

Dan
 
patssle said:
Here's a thought: Did we have a backup camera shooting when we used tape 'just in case' the tape went bad?
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I think you missed the point. The point is, you should always have a backup camera when shooting a live event where you can't miss a segment, in the case of any mishap happening (even a blocked camera angle).

What I was saying, P2 is so stable now, the likelihood of it failing is probably the same or perhaps even LESS than tape. So you don't really need to take any more precaution than you would if you were using a tape based camera.

And, in the event something went wrong (same or less likely than tape), you SHOULD have a backup camera regardless. You should always have a backup camera, even if shooting 100% tape. That is the safety net. Not a stack of old 4gb P2 cards.

And, just like on tape, if something went wrong with the tape, you lose an hour of footage. Same with a 64gb P2 card shooting HD. So really, the risk is the same as shooting on one tape. I don't change my tape 16 times every hour in case one of them goes bad.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Yes, that's a guess.

No pricing has been set.

The poster may be following the historical pricing changes, which basically have set the new larger capacity cards at the same price as the previous smaller capacity cards.

But I don't think that that is going to happen. 64 GB cards have 32 more GBs than 32 GB cards.

That is a huge difference -- more than 4 to 8, 8 to 16 and 16 to 32.
 
Panny said they wouldn't increase the price of their top end P2 card way back when, it would also be 1800-ish and 900-ish, but I wonder if things are going to change now, as they said they will not be discontinuing the 16gb. I could see what Kit is mentioning become a reality.
 
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