sumix SMX-12A2C fullHD 60p

finally i connect to guys from sumix/ they told me that now they are tested the camera and it will be available for sale in near future...so keep waiting.

--- funny thing - it happend that i live very near the place, vhere they manufactured the cameras)), and from here they traveled to their main office. so i think when camera will be ready maybe i have a nice chance to be in the first line of customers
 
Forget about this, if you guys can wait and are willing to pay a little bit more for a lot more, keep a look out for the RED Scarlet in early 2009 (www.red.com).
 
Interchangeable are not that big a deal to me. It won't happen, as it's been shot down by Jim himself, and the costs of getting 16mm lenses aren't worth it. There are adapters planned.

Kohli; if you honestly cannot wait, go ahead and get a security cam that costs just as much approx. The important features of Scarlet likely won't change much for the worse. If you're really desperate, go for the SMX; I personally think it's much smarter to get something to hold you over temporarily, and get the Scarlet later. Patience is a virtue; I can't imagine anyone would need a camera so bad, they'd get the SMX when the Scarlet's on the horizon (you always have other cams to hold you over. Go rent one even). Boggles my mind.
 
I own a SMX-12A2C camera. I have been working with it for quite some time, collaborating with companies trying to get a good solution out there.

This camera is far from a security camera. Its designed for cinema applications, and uses a sensor very similar to the one in the Silicon Imaging 2K cameras. The images it produces look almost identical... The Sumix camera is still under development, the software is not quite there yet, and Sumix is refining the hardware and color filters.

Here is a quick grab from a test I shot the other day. I forgot to white balance! So colors are going to be a little odd...
http://dreamstonestudios.com/delete/frame_lens2.jpg

A bit of a boost in saturation...
http://dreamstonestudios.com/delete/FRAME_632.jpg

Its also a bit blurry, shot with a television lens. I'm working on getting my hands on a c-mount HD lens.

There are some big differences between the Scarlet camera and this one which helps me justify the expense. I'm still looking forward to Scarlet, but this camera can offer things that Scarlet cannot. Its also the other way around too! Both have advantages and disadvantages, and it just comes down to your shooting style and expectations.
 
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Gordon JL said:
Interchangeable are not that big a deal to me. It won't happen, as it's been shot down by Jim himself, and the costs of getting 16mm lenses aren't worth it. There are adapters planned.

Kohli; if you honestly cannot wait, go ahead and get a security cam that costs just as much approx. The important features of Scarlet likely won't change much for the worse. If you're really desperate, go for the SMX; I personally think it's much smarter to get something to hold you over temporarily, and get the Scarlet later. Patience is a virtue; I can't imagine anyone would need a camera so bad, they'd get the SMX when the Scarlet's on the horizon (you always have other cams to hold you over. Go rent one even). Boggles my mind.
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Old post, but, I could really care less about SCARLET. It's vaporware until it comes out. They're saying 2009, Sounds like 2011 to me. :B And, don't label me a RED hater, I use it plenty.

SMX footages please.
 
Kholi said:
Old post, but, I could really care less about SCARLET. It's vaporware until it comes out. They're saying 2009, Sounds like 2011 to me. :B And, don't label me a RED hater, I use it plenty.

SMX footages please.
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My sentiments exactly. Scarlet is so far off it's not possible for me to get excited about it.
 
The scarlet has two problems against the Sumix. The scarlet is limited to f2.8 lenses. 2/3" f2.8 shallow DOF is equivalent to 1/3" f1.4 DOF, while the Sumix can get full 2/3" f1.4 DOF shallow DOF. Then, the scarlet will be two stops slower in light gathering with the fixed f2.8 lenses compared to f1.4 and even slower due to the larger number of smaller pixels. That's about 3 stops of light gathering difference. The quantum efficiency of Sumix is already very good, so no real room for improvement there. I believe that being CMOS and using fixed f2.8 lens the scarlet will be equivalent to consumer level 1/3" camcorders in DOF and sensitivity until they decide the change the lens maximum aperture.
 
What lens are you planning to use with the Sumix? Are you aware of how expensive 2/3 HD lenses are? You can't use any of your 35mm still lenses without suffering from the crop factor. I would trust the attached Scarlet lens instead of any second hand lens you throw on the Sumix.

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I believe that being CMOS and using fixed f2.8 lens the scarlet will be equivalent to consumer level 1/3" camcorders in DOF and sensitivity until they decide the change the lens maximum aperture.
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This is incorrect. 2/3 chip will yield a significantly shallower depth of field than a 1/3 camcorder. And talking about the sensitivity is moot at this point. Red One allows you to adjust iso, and I've seen promising results from 800 iso red footage. If Scarlet allows iso adjustments then this will be much more versatile than the Sumix.

What's the Sumix available workflow? Is there a usable post solution available?
 
Isaac_Brody said:
What lens are you planning to use with the Sumix? Are you aware of how expensive 2/3 HD lenses are? You can't use any of your 35mm still lenses without suffering from the crop factor. I would trust the attached Scarlet lens instead of any second hand lens you throw on the Sumix.

This is incorrect. 2/3 chip will yield a significantly shallower depth of field than a 1/3 camcorder. And talking about the sensitivity is moot at this point. Red One allows you to adjust iso, and I've seen promising results from 800 iso red footage. If Scarlet allows iso adjustments then this will be much more versatile than the Sumix.

What's the Sumix available workflow? Is there a usable post solution available?
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The Sumix has got a 5um pixel I believe. Not much smaller than the pixel of a modern dSLR. It can take many slr lenses with good results for telephoto and upwards. The crop factor compared to Red or super 35 is 2.5x. Not especially limiting for telephoto.

For 2/3" you can get megpixels primes for below 100 euro each. These leses have much better optical quality than a camcorder zoom such as those bundled with camcorders below 10,000 euro, due to the simple design required on a prime lense. And you can cover the full range with f1.4 lenses. The better cctv lenses will work fine at 5um. It's not a very small pixel size.

About me being incorrect about DOF, I believe you simply don't understand DOF and how it works with sensor size and absolute and relative aperture. Please check your facts and make sure you fully understad the issue before calling someone incorrect. I will try to explain. Reducing the size of the sensor and reducing the relative aperture by the same ammount gives you identical DOF because the important parameter is absolute aperture size. It's easy to test if you have lenses or a good DOF calculator.

1/3" f1.4 = 2/3" f2.8 = super35 f7.0 = full frame still film camera f10.5

As simple as that. The 2/3" f2.8 lens will give you 1/3" f1.4 results and the advantage of the 4x larger in area sensor is lost in the 4 times slower f2.8 (vs f1.4) compared to the 1/3" camera.
 
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