24p for action sports/ good wide angle lens

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xfoo

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well i have been contimplating a # of cameras for awhile but i have finally decided i am going to go with a dvx instead of a hv20. is 24p good for doing fast moving shots such as skiing/snowboarding? also i need a new wideangle because my old one was stolen along with the dvc30 so the insurrence company said they will cover something that will be compatable with my new camera... my last wide angle was a raynox... any suggestions for a wide angle for the dvx?
 
I'm not sure why you would want a wide lens to shoot sports. Especially with a DVX since the zoom doesn't take you as close as good sports action shooting requires.

Or maybe you are shooting something else on the sidelines and not the action?

I think you might have quick panning issues shooting in 24P.
 
well for skiing/snowboarding/skateboarding or any sports of that nature you use a wide angle lens for follow cam's.. you are sometimes 3feet from the person being filmed and it is much easier to have a wide angle lens soo everything is in view.. any recomendations?
 
24p is great for action sports. I mean, pretty much all big buget action sports films are shot on 16mm, which is 24fps.
 
dory_breaux said:
24p is great for action sports. I mean, pretty much all big buget action sports films are shot on 16mm, which is 24fps.
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I agree...but they aren't using a DVX series camera in 24P to do that.

One of the down sides to the 24P setting on the DVX is the poor panning ability which ends up stuttering the video unlike other, larger more professional, 24P systems.

That's not meant as a slam against the camera. It's just a fact that can not be ignored.

If the poster asked a general question about 24P, I'd agree with you but this was specifically about the DVX.

As a follow camera, with little or no panning, the DVX will be ok. If you are shooting other sports like football, baseball, tennis, to name a few, it comes up short.
 
Yeah so much movement of the camera especially for closeups. I generally use 60i so I can remap time and do some slow motion shots. This is for football BTW. I use high shutter speed (exept for under the lights friday nights). It comes out very crisp. I'd say your gonna have to make some tests.
 
Yeah just play with it. I see alot of snowboard clips shot at 24p on the DVX and they look fine. Or, if the panning issue is too big of a problem, use 30p.
 
well i found two soo far that i like...
century optics .6X WIDE ANGLE ADAPTER DVX - $475
or
raynox HDP-6000EX(0.79X) -$499

which one is a better lens??? also can i put a protective filter on the front of either of these lens to protect it?
 
I just recently purchased two lenses from Century/Schneider Optics. I actually got the .6 also. It's a sick lens with not to much distortion. If your looking for the super death lens you might want to go fisheye and spend a ton more, but the .6 has done great for me. You can check out some of the shots at www.baldegal.com. Go to the Brighton Montage. There are some follow cams I did you can see how that is.

As for follow cams - I would shoot a higher frame rate, cuz your going to wanna slow those babies down, and after making this years flick SMORGASBORD - I learned a TON about shooting 24, 30, wide, telephoto in crazy weather and stuff. Let me know if that works. I would stick with Century.

OH as for the filters, when your using the wide I dont think you can use any filters with the Century at least.
 
Lensmith said:
One of the down sides to the 24P setting on the DVX is the poor panning ability which ends up stuttering the video unlike other, larger more professional, 24P systems.
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The strobbing you get from panning fast when in 24P has nothing to do with the DVX. You're going to get the same strobbing whether you're using a DVX, HVX, RedOne , or even 35mm camera. The reason you get the strobbing is that the less frames that are being shot the less smoth your motion is going to be, period.

So I prefer 60i or 60P if you're shooting with an HVX, when shooting sporting events. Shooting in those modes will also give you the option of doing some slow-mo if you want to later on.

Just my two cents though.

- Isaac
 
dory_breaux said:
Yeah but that "strobe" is a characteristic of film, so if your going for that look, why wouldn't you want it?
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Yes, it is a characteristic of film but not necessarily a desirable one. There is a way to decrease the strobbing though. You can change the shutter speed to 1/60 and it will help with some of the strobbing.
 
when ever i have filmed with anything interlaced in the past, you get those crazy little lines in any motion or movement.. also what is the front diameter of the century optics .6 wideangle
 
ok.. well i am now between the century optics .6 wideangle (bayonete mount) and the 16x9 .4 compact fisheye http://www.16x9inc.com/products/16x9/169-hdcsf4x-72-pan-dvx.html

my old wide angle on my dvc30 was a raynox .4 wideangle but i would use a +2 acromat behind it to alow me to zoom through (parciallly) and give me less distortion and seemed to focus better while in autofocus. which one of those two len's would best replace what i had previously becuase at full wide it was perfect for what i needed it for.
 
I'd bump the CE one, my friend has it for his VX2100 and it is PIMPD! Super clean picture and very little distortion, almost none to the naked eye.
 
If you wanna get a wide angle, you should just get a fisheye, it would be much better for action sports. I would recomend the 16x9 fisheye or the Century Optics MK2.
 
Regarding the DVX, can you not shoot in 30p, and at 1/120 for a pretty good clear picture? I'm gonna experiment with this asap, to see whether I should shoot 24p or not or stick to video.


And when its strobing, if you keep the audience distracted with movement in the foreground it usually doesn't matter.
 
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