Jarek Zabczynski
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I'd never even think of working on video on a PC again.
iMac 2.4ghz or PC core 2 quad 2.4ghz
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Max out the RAM on that iMac with non Apple RAM from macsales.com.
Get a quality (read not Lacie) external FW800 drive, and you are good to go.
Love PCs, but FCS2 is a delight to use.
Get a quality (read not Lacie) external FW800 drive, and you are good to go.
Love PCs, but FCS2 is a delight to use.
Unfortunately, you can't add an eSATA drive to an iMac.
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Buy a PC, you'll getter a bigger wallet not a bigger ego!
Buy a PC , look forward to anywhich you buy, you'll be sold a PC (Intel type).
hahahahahahahaha! not lol, but sol!
Love to add my 2 cents... I've worked on all 3 types of systems (yes, I said 3 since i believe there are two types of PC)
Mac: stable, easy to use. if you don't want to learn how the computer really works, go for it. But be prepared to loose your mac to the MacStore help desk for weeks if it ever goes down on you.
Store Bought PC: avoid avoid avoid. Few exceptions to this, but most store bought pre-builds are junk. IMHO they come out of the box Broken.
Self-Built PC: this is what i use mostly. my systems are stable, i have very few issues. I repair (software not hardware) my mother's mac more often than I have to reboot my self build PCs. If you know what you're doing, this is the best way to go for the money.
Mac: stable, easy to use. if you don't want to learn how the computer really works, go for it. But be prepared to loose your mac to the MacStore help desk for weeks if it ever goes down on you.
Store Bought PC: avoid avoid avoid. Few exceptions to this, but most store bought pre-builds are junk. IMHO they come out of the box Broken.
Self-Built PC: this is what i use mostly. my systems are stable, i have very few issues. I repair (software not hardware) my mother's mac more often than I have to reboot my self build PCs. If you know what you're doing, this is the best way to go for the money.
Take_1
Well-known member
I use PC's and Mac's in a mixed editing environment. Both are good at getting their work done. However, you should consider 2 key things:
1.) What will you be running on it for software?
Some products are made to run on both platforms but often will actually run better on one over the other.
2.) What are you comfortable working on?
An important thing especially if you need to troubleshoot something when you have a deadline looming... and yes, both platform have thier tech issues.
1.) What will you be running on it for software?
Some products are made to run on both platforms but often will actually run better on one over the other.
2.) What are you comfortable working on?
An important thing especially if you need to troubleshoot something when you have a deadline looming... and yes, both platform have thier tech issues.
Please, no platform wars or stereotypes about who uses what.
Please
Again, a generalization and a stereotype.
I've run Macs for 20 years and learned out to maintain and troubleshoot each of the desktops and laptops.
I've replaced so many user replaceable parts through the years. Never had to send a desktop in for any repair except motherboard.
JonathanLB
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I'm only a "Mac lover" or "Mac addict" because most of my life experience is using PCs, and they are terrible, terrible computers. I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to be stuck with a Windows-based operating system. I started using PCs when I was about 8 or 9, and continued until I was 21, and then I made the switch to Mac and never looked back. I was surprised to find that all kinds of things that were difficult with a PC and that always screwed up were no issue at all with Macs. I thought SpyWare and frequent system freezes and crashing programs was just part of using a computer in general, I didn't realize that was just a "feature" of using a PC.
Then when I got my Mac, I realized life could actually be easy with using a computer, and that when I want a computer to do something, it would actually do it! I was amazed.
And not to mention that Macs are much more powerful machines, but you do have to spend the money to make it so. You couldn't even buy a PC with 8 gigs of RAM when I got my Mac more than two years ago, loaded with 8 gigs of RAM. Now you can get 16 gigs of RAM. You could be running all kinds of RAM-intensive programs and still get away with it.
For right now, until we have $20,000 we want to spend on a new Mac (8-core, fully loaded, etc.), we're just using two fully loaded MacBook Pros with 2.4 Ghz Core Duo 2s and 4 gigs of RAM each. It gets the job done.
Also I am a huge Final Cut guy. Sure, I agree that CS3 is a wonderful suite of programs, seems to have all kinds of neat stuff, but you have to face the facts sometimes -- there are only two professional editing systems that people in the industry know and use, and that's Avid and Final Cut. Of course, Avid is a total piece of s***, but that doesn't change the fact it's still an industry-standard program that a lot of editors know how to use. Now Final Cut is the biggest up-and-coming program, with Avid losing ground professionally. So far, Adobe hasn't been able to convince professionals to use their programs for movie editing, besides of course the fact everyone uses Photoshop. But for my money, as far as editing goes, I'll stick with Final Cut Studio 2!
PCs, to me, are like Honda Civics. Sure, everyone has one, but that doesn't mean they're good. A Mac is like a Ferrari. Sleek, sexy, powerful, effective, but more expensive than what a lot of people want to pay.
Then when I got my Mac, I realized life could actually be easy with using a computer, and that when I want a computer to do something, it would actually do it! I was amazed.
And not to mention that Macs are much more powerful machines, but you do have to spend the money to make it so. You couldn't even buy a PC with 8 gigs of RAM when I got my Mac more than two years ago, loaded with 8 gigs of RAM. Now you can get 16 gigs of RAM. You could be running all kinds of RAM-intensive programs and still get away with it.
For right now, until we have $20,000 we want to spend on a new Mac (8-core, fully loaded, etc.), we're just using two fully loaded MacBook Pros with 2.4 Ghz Core Duo 2s and 4 gigs of RAM each. It gets the job done.
Also I am a huge Final Cut guy. Sure, I agree that CS3 is a wonderful suite of programs, seems to have all kinds of neat stuff, but you have to face the facts sometimes -- there are only two professional editing systems that people in the industry know and use, and that's Avid and Final Cut. Of course, Avid is a total piece of s***, but that doesn't change the fact it's still an industry-standard program that a lot of editors know how to use. Now Final Cut is the biggest up-and-coming program, with Avid losing ground professionally. So far, Adobe hasn't been able to convince professionals to use their programs for movie editing, besides of course the fact everyone uses Photoshop. But for my money, as far as editing goes, I'll stick with Final Cut Studio 2!
PCs, to me, are like Honda Civics. Sure, everyone has one, but that doesn't mean they're good. A Mac is like a Ferrari. Sleek, sexy, powerful, effective, but more expensive than what a lot of people want to pay.
Okay 12 years ago Windows 95 was introduced. A year earlier I believe the Power Macs rolled out . You were 9 years old then and already biased by Windows 32bit advances. Just guessing your age because you never mentioned how old you are now. Windows NT came on the scene later also. Have you tried it and compared it to the PowerMacs.
What were the differences?
What proprietary software advantages did each have?
At age 9 you were probably playing the games that came with Windows 95 and didn't even know what the term crashing meant. For the next 12 years why didn't you switch? Couldn't because mostly all the fun stuff was on a PC, and the studio guys were running Mac's with proprietary software. But you weren't doing studio work back then, right?
Man if you could've showed you how to maintain your PC, you probably wouldn't feel this resentful of using a PC for 12 years.
I may have to agree with some of that. I have learned quite a bit about preventive maintenance with the PC and understand that there will be no end to it . Macs have viruses too, but not worth mentioning. Someday it will happen when Mac users will come to certain realities that Macs are no way impervious to any virus, spyware, crashes. In my life I have learned not to underestimate the will of others. There are alot of smart people out there.
It is a happier place when people are appeased.
:huh:Wait a minute. What makes it more powerful? Must be the OS because I just built a PC with nearly identical specs of an 8 core Xeon MacPro.
2 years ago Windows server boards had access to more than 8 gigs :undecided Todays Mac motherboards kinda resembles a server board specs. Just with more workstation implements.
I heard some Mac guys out there buy third party components and save a whole bunch. I built my dream PC machine for under $3k . I have a feeling that most of it will work with a Mactel:kiss:
Whoa:zombie_smiley:
rogar-Smoke(DBG):strong words.. I don't buy into this industry-standard stuff. So what alot of studios are using FCP. Some Avid and never Adobe CS3. It does not concern me at all because it is not my goal to work for any studio. Others may have concern about working for a studio. CS3 is my studio and I wear all the hats in there.:thumbup: Good for u!
Are you stereo-typing Honda owners. Well we don't own a Honda. PCs are more like a rusted and ugly to the bone car that is under appreciated. Although you need to pump the tire once in awhile it runs fine and sure beats walking.
Gotta agree with sleek. :kiss: Sexy not really. I like girls better. :dankk2
owerful:huh: It does require power to run. Expensive Not at all for those studios running industry standard equipment.Okay I am not trying to defend Windoze or Microsoft , but rather just trying to voice my opinions .
Mac may have alot of positives to make a PC user want to switch over. I don't care about the negative reputation a PC has. I came so close into getting a MAC system, because of the bootcamp thing.
I decided not to get a Mac because of several reasons.
1)I have spent most of my time learning the ins and out of a PC .
2)I have only repaired Macs , but never used it for any work. I am a Mac idiot.
3)Majority of applications I use are Windows only.
4)There is nothing wrong with a PC.
5)Macs are overpriced.
brokenjack
Active member
You're not?
I think right now if you are not married to any one editing application, I would highly recommend taking the time to learn FCP. "Industry standard" are not bad words when it comes to production. Often times you may need to send files and projects out to other post facilities and be able to speak the same language. Alot of post houses in my town have an Avid AND FCP. No Premiere. I used Premiere for years, and it was a little painful making the switch, but working with FCP has been a dream. I think there is a little bit better effect handling in Premiere, although I haven't used it since Premiere Pro 1.5. Anyway, I happen to subscribe to both schools of thought. I have a Mac for mostly editing video. I use a PC to handle anything that requires a lot of rendering i.e. 3D, motion graphics (After Effects), compositing, etc., that way I can build something on one computer, while working on another.
The only real issue out there is money. The Final Cut Studio 2 suite is much cheaper for what you get, than if you bought the "same" type of software for the PC. Also if going the Mac Pro route, don't get sucked into all the Mac stuff they try to sell you when configuring the system. A good sata hard drive is a good sata hard drive, and can be purchased from any third party component retailer on the web. I'm running some 2gb of patriot memory that cost me $100 less than Apple from newegg.
Good luck with your decision.
I may have to agree with some of that. I have learned quite a bit about preventive maintenance with the PC and understand that there will be no end to it . Macs have viruses too, but not worth mentioning. Someday it will happen when Mac users will come to certain realities that Macs are no way impervious to any virus, spyware, crashes. In my life I have learned not to underestimate the will of others. There are alot of smart people out there.
It is a happier place when people are appeased.
:huh:Wait a minute. What makes it more powerful? Must be the OS because I just built a PC with nearly identical specs of an 8 core Xeon MacPro.
2 years ago Windows server boards had access to more than 8 gigs :undecided Todays Mac motherboards kinda resembles a server board specs. Just with more workstation implements.
I heard some Mac guys out there buy third party components and save a whole bunch. I built my dream PC machine for under $3k . I have a feeling that most of it will work with a Mactel:kiss:
Whoa:zombie_smiley:
Gotta agree with sleek. :kiss: Sexy not really. I like girls better. :dankk2
Okay I am not trying to defend Windoze or Microsoft , but rather just trying to voice my opinions .
Mac may have alot of positives to make a PC user want to switch over. I don't care about the negative reputation a PC has. I came so close into getting a MAC system, because of the bootcamp thing.
I decided not to get a Mac because of several reasons.
1)I have spent most of my time learning the ins and out of a PC .
2)I have only repaired Macs , but never used it for any work. I am a Mac idiot.
3)Majority of applications I use are Windows only.
4)There is nothing wrong with a PC.
5)Macs are overpriced.
1. It's an obviously known fact that Macs have viruses. But not to the extent or intensity that Windows does. While you state this yourself, you contradict your very sentence by giving Mac that vulnerability issue. Regardless if it's vulnerable to viruses or not, the fact of the matter is, is that Windows has far more in quantity and in damages. Worms, Viruses, Spyware, you name it.
Ever since I got a Mac, I have never encountered a single spyware, virus, or software issue. The worst possible thing I've ever had was kernel panic.
2. You building a PC with the same specs as a Mac Pro doesn't mean it's as powerful as a Mac Pro. I'm glad that you assume that the Mac OS system is more powerful than Windows OS, but the fact of the matter is, is that the quality of their products are far greater than barebone pieces, meaning the longevity is far greater. Secondly, Mac Pro has used (2) 4-core processors more than 5 months before any PC could use 2 quad core processors. That says a lot. Simply said, the hardware is of much higher caliber than almost any Window's machine out there.
3. 2 years ago, windows used boards that supported 8 gigs? Wow.... well my Powermac G5 was from 2003, 4 years, and due to technology nowadays, can handle up to 16 GB of RAM. That's 4 year old technology that handled 8 GB ram packages 2 years before your mentioned windows boards.
4. Industry standard is quite important, especially when it usually defines the quality of the product. However, CS3 is quite a powerful piece of software. So, I don't think it makes a difference.
5. Macs are sleek, to some, sexy, and to most, powerful. There is a giant misconception that Macs are overpriced. It's not overpriced. They are just expensive. They offer quality products that are worth every cent you pay them. You certainly will not be able to find an all in one PC that has a 24 inch monitor, a sleek design of the chassis, keyboard, and mouse, alongside with 320 GB HDD, 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo, and 1 GB for under 2 grand.
6. I honestly think you should start working with them, or even trying them extensively, before you even judge the price and product. As you say, you dont use Macs, but merely repair them.
I personally dont have a vendetta against PCs. They do have their purpose in the market... which is gaming, office production, and remote desktop usage. However, Macs do a good job in what they offer as they specifically make software that takes advantage of the hardware and is exclusive to OSX.
While you save money on hardware by getting a PC, you save tons of money on software by getting a Mac, which is just my opinion alone.
Take_1
Well-known member
OK kiddies... why is it that we don't just ignore uninformed comments from people like JonathanLB when they make statements that are juvenile and inflamitory?
Anyone who actually knows anything at all already knows that both platforms have strenghts and weaknesses as do the various software packages that run on them.
As I stated earlier in this thread, I work in a mixed platform, mixed editing software studio who's only mission is to create the best in television programing we can. I could speak at length as to which platform and editing program kicks which one's ass when put head to head in the boiler room of a studio who has to make airtime... and I think some of you would be quite surprised as to which it is.
Frankly I don't care which is better as long as I get my shows delivered to the networks on time and with the least amount of stress to get the job done.
The bottom line here is that you need to pick a system that makes you happy, meets your budget and your deadlines. Thats it. For the most part they all will give you a broadcast ready product. Its the journey to completion when it really counts that makes the difference. If you have all the time in the world to complete your project then fire up your video toaster for all I care.
So someone please lock up this thread... the Mac/PC wars is so old why are we still wasting time and board space on it?
peace.
Anyone who actually knows anything at all already knows that both platforms have strenghts and weaknesses as do the various software packages that run on them.
As I stated earlier in this thread, I work in a mixed platform, mixed editing software studio who's only mission is to create the best in television programing we can. I could speak at length as to which platform and editing program kicks which one's ass when put head to head in the boiler room of a studio who has to make airtime... and I think some of you would be quite surprised as to which it is.
Frankly I don't care which is better as long as I get my shows delivered to the networks on time and with the least amount of stress to get the job done.
The bottom line here is that you need to pick a system that makes you happy, meets your budget and your deadlines. Thats it. For the most part they all will give you a broadcast ready product. Its the journey to completion when it really counts that makes the difference. If you have all the time in the world to complete your project then fire up your video toaster for all I care.
So someone please lock up this thread... the Mac/PC wars is so old why are we still wasting time and board space on it?
peace.
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Okay you win every argument against me. I am not here to match wits with any one. Please read more carefully to what and how I replied to quotes. Don't take things out of its context.
Don't be so defensive:zombie_smiley: . Lighten up :banned:.
I guess my choice of words , was too offensive. But when I read it , it sounds polite . It does however contradict the quotes from others, and instead of an inteligent response I get flamed. Some of it just continue to be something that repeats its inaccuracy. I won't waste anyones time with a defense to it.
There will be no end to this stuff. Not untill Microsoft buys Apple and then it will soon change the tune.
Does anyone recall the war between Maya and 3dsMax?
Maya a studio standard 3d application which was cross platform, had the niche for big time studios. Smaller studios also used it and claimed it more superior to 3dsMax.
3dsMax users were more broad because it was cheaper. It got the job done under the Windows only platform.
Familiar quotes. "It didn't matter what application you use, its the end product that matters".
With that being mutual , still the argument goes on elsewhere. " But Maya is industry standard, 3dsMax is cheaper, Maya has fluids, 3dsMax got Afterburn".
This went on many years with Maya having the reputation as industry standard and most prefered by Prfessionals as well as wannabe's.
When Autodesk (owners of 3dsMax) bought the Maya company, the whole beef was somehow quieter. It was predicted yet it was weird when it all happened.
Well Microsoft has enough money to buy Apple . I don't believe it will happen.
But it could. I wonder how much it will matter.
Anyways sorry to anyone if I seem wrong about PCs. According to me I am right about what I know about computers. I am a wannabe producer/editor with aspirations to learn more about film-making. I will be spending more of my time on content creation than arguing about stuff like Mac vs PCs
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Macs are overpriced?
Compare a similarly configured MacPro quad core and Dell quad core, and you'll be surprised.
Compare a similarly configured MacPro quad core and Dell quad core, and you'll be surprised.
I'm not being defensive at all. I'm pointing out things that I felt was improperly explained, in which I give my reasoning to. I'm not giving out ad hominem remarks, nor do I feel that I am offending you in any way.
I'm putting my opinion out there. Just like you did.
And what I am saying is that I am encouraging you to work with them creatively. I explained that.
Don't take my responses to heart, otherwise you just end up making enemies.
Well let me explain.
To me it would be considered overpriced if I use it for just the Windows platform.
Dell as well as MACs components are overpriced.
Example: the Xeon quad-core cpu if bought from either Dell or Apple Store would be like around 100% more than if purchased from NewEgg.com. I have done the comparison and have decided to go with a cheaper retailer.
There is no compromise in quality and speed because it is from Intel. Same stuff in the Dell and Macs.
The same issue with RAMS. 8 gig from NewEgg cost me around $400 Dell and MACs RAM upgrades are pretty expensive ($2500 more).
That is why I think its overpriced. I'll take the correction to my own quote and re-phrase it.
"Macs are overpriced, in comparison to a self built PC."
Yes you can also self build your own MAC box with a hacked OS on many Intel mobo. But that is beyond the scope of this discussion. http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Do_I_need_Apple_hardware_to_run_Mac_OS_X.3F
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Well, it's the same with Windows based hardware companies like Dell, HP and others too. A DIY option will always be cheaper than a Dell, that's a given. People say "PCs are cheaper" because most of the knowledgeable PC users prefer to get a custom built one.
If it were easier to build our own Macs, they'd be cheaper too but on the other hand, I've always gotten what I've paid for when it came to Mac hardware. I've built many PCs for use at home and I've faced a lot of problems like PSUs, Hard Disks, RAM etc failing. Why? Because I sacrificed durability for cost. If I had opted for the top of the line PC hardware, the difference in price between the rig and a Mac of similar specs would shrink by a lot
Again, my point is that you said Macs are overpriced, not "overpriced in comparison to a self built PC."
And nobody in their right mind would buy RAM from Apple or Dell. Way too pricey.
For those who don't want to be troubled with building a PC, I'll stand by the price and quality of a Mac.
And nobody in their right mind would buy RAM from Apple or Dell. Way too pricey.
For those who don't want to be troubled with building a PC, I'll stand by the price and quality of a Mac.
Okay you've got quality in your Mac. I've got quality in my PC. To say otherwise would be just a contribution in the Mac is better than PC war.
In all my time here I never claim that PC is better. Sharing some of the facts , I have brought up points against claims of MAC users.
Go back and read them and try to figure out what I am saying.
Lets start another thread and discuss in depth the difference of a MAC and a generic PC.
History of the MAC has given them a good reputation. MACs still remain a good platform for editors and content creation. Today they share identical components to a generic PC (insert your quality argument here).
Please go back to my previous post and see if my replies are worthy to research or follow up on.
Majority of people who now live happier with a MAC said that their PC are unstable and crashes all the time. I want to hear that from real people who work in a studio to make that claim. I know that PCs are used in some big studios because of the applications that are Windows only.
Stop making claims that are based on only reputation.
Mac will always be good for the ego.