2 new HDV cameras with interchangeable lens

Jeez Louise.. I can't believe Sony these days. When I owned a TRV900 10 years ago, I was a REALLY HAPPY man. A confident customer. But these days all Sony does is introduce yesterday's technology and downstripped stuff at a higher price than all competitors... It's really strange. I guess they must've done some circulation at the top level. New director(s) can't exactly be proud. They haven't realeased anything revolutionary for very long. The XDCAM EX Could've been a Pana KILLER if they'd released it earlier. But now: every station that needed tapeless has gone there.

Seems like they're losing their market leading position... Especially now with the PS3 and blu-ray competitors too.. well well... I believe the company's management is not doing a good job right now.

They'll probably come back even more aggressive in a couple of years and win back their position. (Meaning lots of goodies for us).

This post was not intended as a flame post, just MHO.
 
marketmd said:
$6500 for HDV? Not worth it no matter what the lenses do.
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My suggestion, and I make no bones about this is, is stop reading the propogated bs and see the real world results.

The great thing about the interweb is it spreads knowledge. The down side is it spreads bs. Your comments are rediculous insofar as they write off a cam without any evidence of capability. Im not going to make this too technical as I dont want to end up in a game of this is and that is like chidren. But just outright comments like that are based on first iterations of HDV not current.

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Im not going to argue that HDV is beter than DVCProHD as with the much higher bandwidth of DVCProHD it more than makes up for the difference. But for a moment consider what the camera can achieve before writing it off.
 
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Barry_Green said:
Really? Never heard anything like this. Do you have a source for this?
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Barry I had a source which I cant locate at present, searcched for an hour, and have as such edited my post. If and when I can track it down I will post it up of course.
 
Yeah, SPZ. That is something that I've been thinking, as well. The XDR adds another level of yum to SDI out cameras.

Sigh. Technology is a pin.

I'm glad FILM won't die any time soon, or we'd all be working for peanuts in the near future.
 
Ursa said:
Seems like they're losing their market leading position... Especially now with the PS3 and blu-ray competitors too.. well well... I believe the company's management is not doing a good job right now.
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Sorry this not a personal post - but with most of the broadcast shooters I know invested in XDcam I dont see Sony is doing such a bad job, and let me tell you I see many here in Japan. Most of the Japanese market is sown up in Sony, Americans, Canadians, Europeans (pick a country) - the ones I see here shooting are 80% on the Sony. The next highest in Japan would have to be Ikegami.
 
It all comes down to the effectiveness of the territory's marketing division, really. I'd never seen such a Pro-Sony country as Australia (I mean, Panasonic didn't even have actual Panasonic representation there until last year.) But then I went to southeast Asia and it's comparatively hard to even find Sony; probably 80% of the southeast Asian broadcast market is Panasonic.

Here in America this was solidly Sony-only territory until DVCPRO came out; something on the order of 75% of news stations switched to Panasonic then.
 
Europe has been all Sony for a long time .. mostly because Sony has very strong customer support (at least by reputation) here .. whereas Panasonic has been relativly invisible on many fronts for a long time.
That beeing said, DVCPRO-25 & -50 are very common production formats for those that can't afford full out Digitbeta. And P2 is dooing prety well alongside XDCAM with, especially with the move to solid state.

- Mikko
 
Barry_Green said:
I'd never seen such a Pro-Sony country as Australia (I mean, Panasonic didn't even have actual Panasonic representation there until last year.)
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Ain't that the truth. Though the HVX has at least introduced the p2 workflow, espeially with the younger crowd and with internet proliferation I expect it will even up in the future to some extent. (EDIT - Many broadcast shows are using HVX as B cams for street shooting etc now also - and I think you mentoned before Barry that ABC have taken it up)

We in Australia have always been led to believe that Sony represents not only the latest but also the quality, I think thats a common perception.

Oh on a quick consumer camera note - the battle is really on here at the moment, from TV advertising and other media. Yesterday I saw a Sony AVCHD cam tvcm followed immediatley by one from Pana, and again yesterday, on a train here, one side was plastered with the Sony AVCHD offerings the other by the Panasonic. Trying to think purely from a customer perspective - I think the Sony campaign may win more hearts with some of the images and the way they are advertising. The Panasonic isnt as warm and fuzzy and Japanese do like warm and fuzzy - woman playing with her dog, in a beautiful house, beautiful clear blue sky outside - she captures it all on her Sony and then plugs it straight in to her Sony Plasma that kind of thing.
 
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Seriously I was amazed -- I mean, the DVX is the biggest hit Panasonic's ever had, and down in Australia they were like "DVX-what? We use the PD170 down here, mate!"

Sony's probably never had a bigger flop than BetaSX. It landed with a wet splat everywhere they launched it. But in Australia, it's pretty much BetaSX from sea to shining sea.

Bizarre.

Which probably made it all the more shocking when the ABC dumped Sony and went exclusively with P2. That must have really sent some eyebrows raising round about.

Didn't know about Japan though. That's pretty wild.
 
Hong-Kong's broadcasters are mainly using sony, too. Panasonic is doing well in China, though.
 
Barry_Green said:
It all comes down to the effectiveness of the territory's marketing division, really. I'd never seen such a Pro-Sony country as Australia (I mean, Panasonic didn't even have actual Panasonic representation there until last year.) But then I went to southeast Asia and it's comparatively hard to even find Sony; probably 80% of the southeast Asian broadcast market is Panasonic.

Here in America this was solidly Sony-only territory until DVCPRO came out; something on the order of 75% of news stations switched to Panasonic then.
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Which Southeast Asia country did you go to cause here in Malaysia, we still use Sony Betacam or Dvcam for most stuff (news, MCP, drama, documentary, telemovie).

While recent years have seen invasion of DVX but they are still mainly relegated to smaller shows or reality TV.

Canon is almost non-existant on pro video market level.

For still photogaphy, they are the king here though.
 
India, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam. It's my understanding that the broadcast industry is running about 70% Panasonic right now.
 
Vincent Wong Yoon Wei said:
Which Southeast Asia country did you go to cause here in Malaysia, we still use Sony Betacam or Dvcam for most stuff (news, MCP, drama, documentary, telemovie).

While recent years have seen invasion of DVX but they are still mainly relegated to smaller shows or reality TV.

Canon is almost non-existant on pro video market level.

This is the same situation in Taiwan. I met an indi-guy doing a doc for a ceramic museum with his DVX - a young filmmaker in love! (with his DVX!) I've worked on several commercials and they've been first, film and second, Digibeta. Yet Taiwan is also very techno-driven. In six years I can't remember having to open a shop door - they're all auto! I've talked to many camera ops in the industry. It comes down to cost and what everyone else is doing. A slight switch by a few could become a huge movement. I think P2 could really dominate here. However, it seems Panasonic has all it's brains in development. Just ask any pana customers in Canada....
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