Who's a vegetarian?

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Luis Caffesse said:
My original point still stands.
No one ever said 'moral issues' were universal.
Clearly blowing your nose in Japan says something about someone, as you pointed out.
If what you're saying is in fact the custom there - then it seems pretty obvious that NOT blowing your nose in public is the 'right' thing to do.

All I'm saying is that its not that difficult to see every choice as a moral choice.
I never said they would be universal.
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Right now I can't contradict your statement anymore. I guess I had a slight misunderstanding of the word moral. If not blowing your nose in public is the 'right't thing to do, it actually IS a moral decision. Wiki helped. If it is general consens, then it is a moral issue.

Hmm, kind of embarrassing :D

Luis Caffesse said:
I know I know...I keep saying I'm going to drop out of this thread...but you guys are like the mafia...you keep pulling me back in.
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I know what you mean. It also just sucks me in :) I know we won't come to any general solution, but I can't resist.

Like MattinSTL mentioned:
If this discussion keeps as nice as it is, it just improves the community and the respect for each other.

As well as we might learn something :)
 
Sad Max said:
You mean, like how I mentioned that the vegetarians I know, fall in a spectrum from the sickly-weak to the adonis-like fit?
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see #135



Sad Max said:
Crap food, is crap food, vegetarian or omnivorist, regardless. McD's, BK, etc are not examples of *any* kind of good or healthy food.
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True

Sad Max said:
I think it works as a preservative, doesn't it?
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That´s what ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) is often used for


Sad Max said:
Dentition is proof that we are omnivores, not carnivores. GI-tract chemistry and structure, too. Maybe you might try responding to the arguments that people *have* made, instead of arguments that nobody here, has made...?
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#43 and #44

Sad Max said:
*shrug* if you want to make it about morality, fine, for you it's about morality. For some of us, it's only a question of biology. And seasoning.
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There´s nothing wrong with good seasoning then...

Sad Max said:
Anyway, ability is the clue that we are "meant" to eat meat, in that sense. No organism has a functional capacity, against which there is a convincing argument regarding its use.
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I again want to point to the around 700 international studies collected in "The China Study" showing that meat and dairy consumption increase the risk of cancer and heart desease, so just because you can, doesn´t mean you should.
Same goes for minors getting pregnant and people using heroin...
 
Points taken.

Meat and dairy consumption, or meat and dairy consumption, to excess?

While I'm all in favor of meat-eating, what I'm in favor of, is reasonable meat eating. Chinese-style impresses me as about right; lots of veggies and rice, with a small portion of meat for flavor and nutritional value.

I think dairy consumption is something else, again. Adult mammals consuming milk, and milk products, really *does* seem unnatural. Although the French famously eat lots of cheese, and seem to enjoy better average health, than do Americans*. Maybe it's the wine...




*French people are mammals, right...?
 
Now come on Spartacus...

43 and 44 still never said any such thing.... They were merely pointing out (in a light hearted manner) that some of our teeth are designed for consumption of meat... Don't make it bigger than it is... Didn't say we have to eat meat. Didn't say we are designed to eat only meat....
 
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I do not prefer Sour Cream on my Mexican Food

Just Carne, Pico De Gayo and Salsa

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I do love Sour Cream on my potato however
 
So whats the status so far?

I think no one thus far disputes Part (b) [of my post], however I'm seeing some disagreement on part (a).

If your disagreeing with part (a) then I suggest you see the debate I referenced in my earlier posts.

If you unable to watch the entire 6~12 hours debate then as a last resort read this small wikipeadia entry (not the best source, but better than nothing)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Diet
 
I don't think anyone with an IQ over plant life, would dispute that we are capable of eating meat. Assuming that's the 'part a' you have in mind.

As for part 'b' - if I have the correct 'part b' - of course animals are capable of behaving outside the parameters of instinct. How else would we be able to train them to do anything?



I like the way the Wiki mentions the gathering of "stationary plant...food sources." As opposed to plants that migrate in herds, and have to be chased down, over long distances...?

On a separate note, I take issue with the Wiki's assertion that Lack of food remains a serious problem, with about 300,000 people starving to death every year. There's no lack of food; there's simply an unwillingness to distribute it to everyone who needs it. I've seen a bulk grain freighter crew hose enough wheat off their decks and into the harbor water, between loading and departure, to feed a medium-sized villiage for a year.
 
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