24p extracted to make WMV9 HD DVD via TMPGenc 4.0 Express

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Cinetastic

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I shot over three hours of HV20 test footage in Tokyo, including Night stuff. And a couple of weekends back shot my sister's wedding in the English countryside near Ledbury and garned about two hours footage. All was shot at 24p, and with the Cinegamma mode. I wanted to view the footage as an extracted 24p, as opposed to direct off tape as "24p in the 60i" - but I do not have a MAC and Final Cut Pro (yet), and on my PC I have none of the NLEs or Cineform extraction methods.

To my rescue came free application http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/ HDV split, which let me get the footage off the camera and into my Sony VAIO PC with AMD Athlon 2800+ CPU.

Next I already had purchased http://www.tmpgenc.net/en/index.html TMPGEncoder 4.0 XPress, and it took the m2t file and recognised it as interlaced 29.97 fps. This program offers basic cut/trimming of footage - and so it is 'editing' by process of duplicating/re-inserting the clip(s) for each 'cut' should you choose to do so. I wanted to just put the raw footage onto DVD at this stage - but as 24p.
I then set the Filters: Deinterlace Mode: 24 fps (Special Animation) - which reduces the clip's framrate from 29.97 to 23.976 by using a method that prioritizes the removing of interlace stripes
and Filters: Deinterlace Method: Inverse Pulldown - which refers to the previous and following images and chooses the one without the interlace stripes.
On the Format (for Output encoding) I selected Windows Media Video 9, size 1440 x 1080, Aspect Ratio - Display 16:9, Framerate - 23.97 fps (Progressive), and a 1 pass CBR. I set the Bitrate at 15000 kb/s.

Encoding took about six hours for a 15 minute 30 second clip of size 1.65 GB. I then put this on disc via a Nero burn as a Data DVD. I popped this WMV9 Data DVD into my Xbox 360, and it plays out via my video projector. I am very happy.
 
A few questions:
Is it really HD-DVD? ( I thought I saw mention of HD-DVD in your original post). Did you play it throught the xbox360 hd player?
But glad that it looks great - what projector do you have?
Your method is pretty cool for those that don't want to buy FCP etc.
 
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Wow...6 hrs for 15 minutes? Do you have any samples you can share with us??

Also, have you tried the HV20Pulldown.exe program mentioned here and in other forums? It is all free software and you could have rendered all of that in much less than half the time (FYI). You don't need an NLE to view it (can do it in Virtual Dub.).

Anyways, glad to see the HV20 is working out for you.
 
logic108 said:
A few questions:
Is it really HD-DVD? ( I thought I saw mention of HD-DVD in your original post). Did you play it throught the xbox360 hd player?
But glad that it looks great - what projector do you have?
Your method is pretty cool for those that don't want to buy FCP etc.
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I understand that the WMV9 encoding uses the same codec VC1 (?) as BluRay and HD-DVD, so although not 'officially' a HD-DVD (in Menu stucture, etc) it is a Data DVD equivalent - and can be played through the Xbox 360 (without the need for HD-DVD add on).


Ian-T said:
Wow...6 hrs for 15 minutes? Do you have any samples you can share with us??
Also, have you tried the HV20Pulldown.exe program mentioned here and in other forums?
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My PC can hardly play the m2t files without sputtering, hence my need to utilise the Xbox 360 triple processor's power for ease of playback (when not playing off tape, and requiring 24p). I could get a short sample up somewhere - but I would compare it to the previously posted 'Return Of The Living Night Footage' which was shot on the Canon A1 24p - and I tried to match that clip's WMV9 encoding parameters. I think the HV20 footage holds up to the bigger camera just fine!

I have not yet tried that HV20Pulldown.exe as I am too lazy to put all that work into extracting a clip from the HV20 footage (I am sure that it is a good application) - I just wanted a one-stop-shop to extract/encode WMV9 24p HD DVD that was very easy for me to use (and had TMPGEnc already on my PC).
 
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Interesting that you are using the xbox360. it's good to see people experimenting and trying different codecs and so on.
Cinetastics - how would you describe the colour rendition of your clips? Do you have nice colours ?
 
logic108 said:
how would you describe the colour rendition of your clips? Do you have nice colours ?
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I am very impressed with the detail and colour of the HV20 Cinegamma setting (lifted from the Canon A1) whilst using 24p (and those are the only modes I have used whilst owning the HV20!). And, for example, filming in a Japanese Temple and the busy marketplace out front of it - all awash with colours, and watching the WMV9 HD DVD it was fantastic rendition.
 
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This is cool. I worked out a nearly identical workflow myself as well using HDVSplit and TMPGEnc. I wanted to come up with a way of doing the inverse pulldown and transcode my clips to a codec that would allow me to efficiently store clips on my PC and play them back through my Xbox360 over my network. It works great. I'm glad to see someone else is having the same degree of success.
 
i have vegas and was using the demo of tmpgenc so I can edit 24f from my hv20 (24p special animation, deinterlace filter, everything you used except output as an avi) - but when I bring it into Vegas the video size is off, stretched too much horizontally.

Since you own TMPGenc (full version) any ideas why this is? I've tried selecting the different video sizes, no luck.
 
HDV has a native resolution of 1440x1080 so make sure that you have your aspect ratio set correctly. It needs to be "Display 16:9". Some media players such as Media Player Classic seem to ignore the aspect ratio flags, at least with Windows Media files. Windows Media Player will playback the files in the correct aspect ratio.
 
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spunkme99 said:
i have vegas and was using the demo of tmpgenc so I can edit 24f from my hv20 (24p special animation, deinterlace filter, everything you used except output as an avi) - but when I bring it into Vegas the video size is off, stretched too much horizontally.

Since you own TMPGenc (full version) any ideas why this is? I've tried selecting the different video sizes, no luck.
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Right click on the display screen and select "simulate device aspect ratio"
 
Cinetastic said:
I am very impressed with the detail and colour of the HV20 Cinegamma setting (lifted from the Canon A1) whilst using 24p (and those are the only modes I have used whilst owning the HV20!). And, for example, filming in a Japanese Temple and the busy marketplace out front of it - all awash with colours, and watching the WMV9 HD DVD it was fantastic rendition.

Here is an edited 90 second clip using the same encoding parameters: Japan HDV 24p to WMV9 24p
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Link is not working...I must have caught this too late.
 
Ian-T said:
Link is not working...I must have caught this too late.
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The webspace hosting that 135mb Japan Demo 24p WMV HD file took a very suspect download hammering on 8th July, and rightly closed the file download off automatically. I can see about replacing it on another host soon.
 
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