"Refill" - by hybridtheory, xpac84, and happygobo

I like Option #2 but it takes out the definition of the guys shirt. If you can find a way to bring back a bit of detail, I'd go with that.
 
Defcon said:
im begging you. lock stock is a dope english gangster film that borders on spyness and oozes with coolness. dont overthink the mood of REFILL, just make it look grainy contrasty & cool! you'll have my vote.
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shoot, i don't think we'll have time to ADR all those cool british accents in! lol. Thanks for the input defcon, I totally feel what you are saying.

Theodore J Arabian said:
I like Option #2 but it takes out the definition of the guys shirt. If you can find a way to bring back a bit of detail, I'd go with that.
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Yeah that sucks, what's the use of carefully placing some backlighting if you are just going to blow it out with a filter in post. Thanks Ted!
 
man i missed this... bet its cold now... got a fresh one?

hybridtheory said:
Your Order's up Mr. Petro -

One Loogie free screen grab of coffee...

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hybridtheory said:
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ALRIGHT, AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION TIME!

I've been messing around with a lot of looks, so who know if I'll even use one of these, but let me know which one you like best.

Pick:

Original - LEAVE IT ALONE!
OPTION 1 - Warm colors filter with a bit of white diffusion.
OPTION 2 - Tweaked Bleach Bypass with slight Sepia.
OPTION 3 - Green and Yellow filters with slight black diffusion.
OPTION 4 - Blue and Black Filters mixed 50% with original with bleach and diffusion.
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number 2 but it depends on the feel of the movie...
 
just go with your gut. its true that if you punch up the contrast you may be losing detail like ted suggested. However im always a big proponent of the overall "look" and "vibe" of your movie, im sure whatever you do will be cool.

actually as i re-look at your options, #3 is really cool too, and it maintains the detail in the shirt. ah decisions decisions!
 
hybridtheory said:
ALRIGHT, AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION TIME!

I've been messing around with a lot of looks, so who know if I'll even use one of these, but let me know which one you like best.

Pick:

Original - LEAVE IT ALONE!
OPTION 1 - Warm colors filter with a bit of white diffusion.
OPTION 2 - Tweaked Bleach Bypass with slight Sepia.
OPTION 3 - Green and Yellow filters with slight black diffusion.
OPTION 4 - Blue and Black Filters mixed 50% with original with bleach and diffusion.
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I like the direction of the face and BG on 4 and the shirt on 1. You might want to do the CC in seperate passes.
 
Mark how exactly do you cc on different passes? I mean i do that also,
for instance i'll do some cc in FCP and then some more cc in MOTION.
Is that what you meant? Or do you have a "method" you can share?
 
I think he means trying to do all the color correcting and filters in one pass can get messy, so if you separate them, you get a cleaner image.
 
Defcon said:
Mark how exactly do you cc on different passes? I mean i do that also,
for instance i'll do some cc in FCP and then some more cc in MOTION.
Is that what you meant? Or do you have a "method" you can share?
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SURE... I can share a few tips! It is sometimes referred to as secondary color correction. That is where if I want to change someones eye color or shirt or anything really, I would create an animated selection, usually with a soft-edge or feather and I would just do color corrections or tweak in that area. It is really quite amazing how nice you can get something to look by using this method. Another thing that you can do is do your color correction and let's say you like the shirt in the original footage best, but everything else looks good with this new color correction pass, well then you select the area that you don't wan't to change and then invert your selection so it changes everything but the shirt.

you can do it on one level or you can do many layers deep, but what I typically do is an overall first pass and then I get that to a place that I like and then I go in and mess with the things that either didn't work in this pass or that need more of something... more saturation, less saturation, etc.... and WHOALA! Secondary color correction.

A lot of it depends on the software that you use. Combustion and AE (I think) have the built in ability to do this really effectively, I believe that the Magic Bullet software has something that does a real good job, then there are plug-ins for various editing systems and whatnot, that can do it too. however, if you are using Premiere Pro2 and FCP and you can't get anything else, well you can do it in there as well, but it may require you to create masks and duplicate layers. This is more time consuming, but the end result is quite impressive. If you want a doorway to be really darkened, but the rest of the shot to not be, then it is just a matter of selecting or masking that area and messing with LEVELS, BRIGHTNESS AND CONTRAST or any number of features built into most programs.

PremierePro 2 and FCP both have really nice three-way color correctors. you can do a lot with them. Granted if you are only using these packages then you are doing it manually, but if you are only talking a short, then it is much more feasible. however, you don't want to go this way if you are doing a feature, the are tools with sophisticated tracking and masking that will make your life much more tolerable on a large scale.
 
Oh i get it, it sounds like masking stuff in photoshop only youre doing it with video.
I gotta learn that, that sounds far more precise than what i was thinking.
 
Defcon said:
Oh i get it, it sounds like masking stuff in photoshop only youre doing it with video.
I gotta learn that, that sounds far more precise than what i was thinking.
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Yes it is just like PS...

It is not as precise as it sound..... you use shapes that are close and then feather the edges... that way you don't have to be dead on accurate... just close. When the images are in motion it really doesn't have to be exact. however, if you have a decent tracker and a way to KEY/SELECT a color, well... this will make it loads easier. I often use my keyer (diamond Keyer in Combustion) as a selection tool. There are many ways to do it and it is sooooo worth any effort that you may put into it.
 
That makes total sense. i cant wait to see your final product. great now i gotta go learn something else. just when i thought i was catching up.
 
Defcon said:
That makes total sense. i cant wait to see your final product. great now i gotta go learn something else. just when i thought i was catching up.
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Nah... it is not that big of a deal. There are a lot of really nice VFX that anyone can do. The best way to do it is in small doses adding something new each time. Most of it is pretty straight forward, the key is just breaking it into bitesize chunks. Around here we always say... "How do you eat an elephant... One bite at a time!" I know it is a bit cheesy, but it works quite well. Let me know if you go this direction and need some guidance somewhere along the line (if you get stuck of course).

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Actually, that look like tea with a scoop of fiber, or a scoop of algae. Okay, it was gross.
 
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