PRO RES 4:2:2 codec - New From Apple

Its not so much the time wasted by having to wrap the footage within QT...I don't mind the time to go through footage...In fact you figure how many times you will see this footage over and over again throughout the edit...Not a big deal....You may not have to capture using other NLE systems but you sure as heck still have to log this footage and view it over and over again. Unless your trying to meet the 5'Oclock news deadline the time it takes to write out a QT file is marginal it sure is alot faster than jog and shuttling a tape back and forth setting in/out points waiting for it to rewind cue then hope to goodness there is no timecode breaks then wait for the capture in REALTIME. BUT I will say the real PITA with Apple's decision is having to hang onto the MXF files along with the newly created .Mov files.. As we all know we have two options and neither are ideal. One is to double your storage requirements or go ahead and ditch the .MXF files. And by the looks of it since FCP/Apple is unwilling to to use MXF files naitively why hang onto them??? I know what everyone says they are your negatives blah blah....but if you are invested in FCP what compelling reason is there to hang onto them.

Have not ditched the MXF files yet but I am seriously considering it. But you got to admidt the other goodies in FCP Studio 2 can make me look past the MXF file issue. Heck I'll be happy if Apple can with 100 percent certainty get the footage off the cards without being corrupt. I'll settle for that and call it a day.

All The Best

JG
 
I really don't mind the import process, especially since it discards the extra frames in 1080pa. I know it isn't much, but the storage adds up on long projects. Also, I can see the clips in quicktime after they're rewrapped.

I think because so many mac users use laptops, with the duel adapter, the import process, just plain old doesn't add much to the process, instead of copy to drive, and edit, import to dive and edit. Not a big deal. (And if you need to burn a copy of the original card on DVD, that takes a lot of time anyway.)

Still it would be nice. I don't think it will change though. I think Barry's right. (But when isn't he? :)

When 32gb comes out I wouldn't be surprised if there is an update that allows drag and drop MXF to the bin. That would be nice.
 
arrestthisman said:
When 32gb comes out I wouldn't be surprised if there is an update that allows drag and drop MXF to the bin. That would be nice.
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We've developed a method to bring HVX200 clips into FCP without copying the files first, so you can edit directly off the card. I don't want to say much about it yet but it will be fairly cheap ($95) and easy to use. Raylight for Mac will be the name of the product. I have a crude version of it running now on my G5 with FCP HD (yes the old FCP). Hopefully in a week we can release more info.
 
I'd buy the Raylight for Mac if it works, which apparently it does, haha. Even if Apple updates FCP in the future, I have projects I'd want to use it on in the immediate future.
 
Raylight for Mac sounds cool. Will definitely buy something like that for under $100. It is too bad the MXF direct import is missing from FCP6, but when you look at everything else, the pluses of the whole FCP Studio set is pretty incredible.

I'm waiting to hear actual experience from NAB, but the editing multiple formats within the same timeline in realtime is just one feature that will alone for me at least, be worth the price of the upgrade.

Add on the new "Color" application, 3D in Motion (goodbye AfterEffects), FXplugin support, subtitle editor in DVD Studio Pro and the Dolby surround sound, Compressor's new features including WMV and mobile phone formats (goodbye Cleaner/Sorensen)...would say that despite the lack of direct MXF support, it's still a pretty decent upgrade.
 
No native MXF in FCP6.

But, once again, looks like MVB and DVFilm are going to do what Apple won't. If Raylight for the Mac works as well as Raylight for the PC, it's going to be awesome! Great news, Marcus!
 
mvb said:
We've developed a method to bring HVX200 clips into FCP without copying the files first, so you can edit directly off the card. I don't want to say much about it yet but it will be fairly cheap ($95) and easy to use. Raylight for Mac will be the name of the product. I have a crude version of it running now on my G5 with FCP HD (yes the old FCP). Hopefully in a week we can release more info.
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Is it possible you can elaberate on how the process may eventually work? That is is it as easy as keeping the p2 volumes on a seperate drive (like the scratch disk) and just drag the volume folders into fcp's bin and then go straight to editing?

if this is so, then rock on, since panasonic's and apple's cat fight is another man's treasure. under a 100 is a plus, since you start to add up all the little things panny and apple dont do, like p2 log pro, p2 genie, and all the other little third party softwares and you have a hit to the pocket book.

thank you for finally standing up and doing something about the situation!
 
WOW! MXF into FCP, that's awesome. 95 bucks. Perfect.

This would be perfect for 720pn footage with extensive metadata from a PC ingest to Mac-Editing workflow.

For 1080p I'll stick with import due to the stripping of frames and the slightly lower bandwidth. ... That is unless Raylight can do this in realtime?
 
I'm a bit peeved that Apple didn't include MXF in this rev of FCP. I mean, if not now...when!? We get an FCP upgrade every two years...

Good to hear that there will be some options out there, though!

The other new features look pretty sweet, but I'm thinking I'll wait to upgrade until I NEED it.
 
arrestthisman said:
For 1080p I'll stick with import due to the stripping of frames and the slightly lower bandwidth. ... That is unless Raylight can do this in realtime?
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It does it for the PC, so I wouldn't be surprised if The Wizard of Austin makes it do so for the Mac as well. Raylight rules, seriously.
 
Mike McNeese said:
I'm a bit peeved that Apple didn't include MXF in this rev of FCP. I mean, if not now...when!? We get an FCP upgrade every two years...
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Don't ever count on it happening, they're simply not going to do it. But what I find delightful is that a giant mega-developer like Apple can't figure out how to make it happen, but a tiny shop in Texas can do it so quickly. Either way, with any luck we'll finally get native MXF editing on the timeline. Raylight has made Vegas and Premiere Pro viable HVX editing platforms, so having Raylight on the Mac is just the total icing on the cake.
 
Barry_Green said:
No native MXF in FCP6.

But, once again, looks like MVB and DVFilm are going to do what Apple won't. If Raylight for the Mac works as well as Raylight for the PC, it's going to be awesome! Great news, Marcus!
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I really don't have an issue with 3rd parties stepping in to fill in the holes.

I do have a problem with the price points of some of the products, but on balance, it's fine.

I work differently than Barry, et al. He prefers to edit off the cards, and I don't see any usefulness in my workflow.

Barry is a tireless advocate. I'm glad he's pushing for the MXF native support in FCP. If it happens, great.

Otherwise it seems from the posts here that many Mac users are cool with the status quo on this issue
 
Barry, I don't know if the issue is whether Apple can achieve it, but rather whether it is a priority to Apple.

There are a lot of fish to fry, and DVCProHD support via p2 cards is only one fish.

Apple said that it has about 800K paid FCP seats out there.

What do you think the percentage of p2 card users are in there?
 
yeah, who would want a bunch of silly little P2users to be included in the fun anyhow?

Just looking back a year at all the early fanfare, partners, etc.

My guess? It's not about priorities or fish . . . it is a deliberate decision, made because they can't stand the idea of people not editing in Quicktime, period.

Let's face it, If there weren't people like Marcus and David to develop this stuff what would your NLE options be today?
 
dregenthal said:
t is a deliberate decision, made because they can't stand the idea of people not editing in Quicktime, period.
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QuickTime is what Apple's video technology is based on. I really don't see what point you are making.

The company is stockholder based. Apple is about making money.

If you read the responses, it appears that not many people in the Mac are clamoring to edit MXF files natively
 
So someone please explain something to the slow people

The DVFILM software will allow 100% native MXF editing. So absolutely ZERO of quality in the footage?
 
So Native MXF editing aside, will the Pro Res Codec benefit us DVCPRO HD users at all???

If it helps the answer, I primarily use 720pn.
 
yes it will, casey. if it proves to be as good as Avid's DNxHD 220, which is just about indistinguishable from uncompressed. unlike DVCPROHD which can fall apart a bit (compare rendered text between uncompressed and DVCPROHD, you'll see a the difference).
 
Zak Forsman said:
yes it will, casey. if it proves to be as good as Avid's DNxHD 220, which is just about indistinguishable from uncompressed. unlike DVCPROHD which can fall apart a bit (compare rendered text between uncompressed and DVCPROHD, you'll see a the difference).
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From the Apple Reps at the NAB booth, I asked if ProRes422 would help me with DVCProHD footage. They said no. It's basically for people who have uncompressed HD footage, want to edit with SD file sizes with no visual quality loss. So it wouldn't help at all really. However, if you have the new Hydra from Reel-streams, which is uncompressed HD or 2k at 4:4:4...then ProRes422 would definately help...

On a side note...um...yeah, Red Camera is going to change the world...I can't even explain in words what I saw at the NAB booth...but to me, film is dead now.
 
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