Who's planning to buy an HV20?

Xray, I see you indicate that the HV20 film like preset is really geared towards watching it on a TV or mon itor, and not suited for film transfer. Is this the case? If so, It possibly rules out purchasing an HV20, as I would like the option to transfer footage to film for Film Festivals, etc.

Maybe the 24p with out the film look would work for film out? Hmmm.

Thanks for the replies Xray, rawfa.
 
That option costs you a lot, believe me, if your film is good enough, you can present it on bigscreen HDvideo. The worlds biggest doc festival IDFA is doing so. And if ... IF!! you want a handycam film --> 35mm and there is +cash, you can and need to work on it to do so, this preset will not hinder you doing that. HV20 is a nice camcorder with 24p/25p motion that simulates the film motion.

Its build to bring you a small 'B' cam. Expectations that are too high is no good for anyone, but this cam helps you in creating stories.
 
One thing is for sure. At this price this baby looks unbeatable. There's no other camera that offers progressive shooting and nice cinema preset at such an affordable price. I'm sure that if you put your heart into it you'll be able to do great stuff with the HV20, Geoff. Remember that DV is not that old, and people were doing creative stuff before that with WAY less capable equipment. If that was my price range I would not think twice about investing on a HV20....of course, you can always wait for NAB and see if something better may come up.
 
ncje said:
I understand that people are excited about this cam. Why not, its seemingly a little champ. But the reality is IT WILL NOT COMPARE to a 3chip HD cam.

Im sure it will be pretty good, I am sure some users of the HV20 will produce better results than some users of the A1/HVX. But that doesnt mean the cam is comparable it means that the users arent.
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Well I have to disagree and say IT WILL COMPARE to a 3 chip HD cam. Sony Fx1 is a 3 chip HD cam. FX1 had no XLR or 24p or hdmi. I believe it will compare to that easily.

I also think it will compare to the A1 and G1 if the quality specs are close to the HV10. This is a camera that isn't even out yet. Every month cameras get better and better. PEACE
 
I like the car/racetrack analogies. In the hands of Le Mans champ Hurley Haywood, a well-equipped Civic can run laps around a Porsche Turbo. Hurley knows how to exploit the limits of his vehicle, while the novice driver will pilot his Porsche off track, into the wall. :happy:

The HV20 has all the horsepower it needs. An experienced, talented operator working with an HV20 will run laps around a newb with a more expensive camera.

Yeah, you might not want to show up at a professional narrative shoot brandishing one as your "A" camera. OTOH, I suspect we'll see some great documentaries and shorts shot soley with the HV20.

I wasn't even planning on buying a new "consumer" cam, but the HV20 is impossible to resist.
 
Well, unless something shows up at NAB that has 24P for $2500.00 or less, I may just have to purchase this puppy. I was just commenting on another forum how frustrated I am that Panasonic has releasd a "pro" AVCHD model with no 24P capability. What excited me about AVCHD was the whole 1080/24P spec. No one has taken advantage of this yet. Nab maybe? And of course, editing for Macs. But this is a whole different thread topic. Hopefully a few early buyers of the HV20 will chime in on how it is before NAB, then once NAB is over, I can make a sound decision as to what cam to buy.
 
Sean Michael said:
I like the car/racetrack analogies. In the hands of Le Mans champ Hurley Haywood, a well-equipped Civic can run laps around a Porsche Turbo. Hurley knows how to exploit the limits of his vehicle, while the novice driver will pilot his Porsche off track, into the wall. :happy:

The HV20 has all the horsepower it needs. An experienced, talented operator working with an HV20 will run laps around a newb with a more expensive camera.

Yeah, you might not want to show up at a professional narrative shoot brandishing one as your "A" camera. OTOH, I suspect we'll see some great documentaries and shorts shot soley with the HV20.

I wasn't even planning on buying a new "consumer" cam, but the HV20 is impossible to resist.
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Exactly. I agree completely. I've seen, first hand, an owner tuned Honda Civic waste a mint NSX. I'm not saying the HV20 is gonna smoke anything or anyone, but I'm pretty confident that when the first narrative 35mm (or not) footage shows up, it's gonna get crazy.
 
Got mine secured at www.mediasupplystore.com and now it's all about the wait till april 6th, that's when most of us are either gonna be really happy... or really pissed.
Me? I'm with Barry, it'l be what it'l be, a Robert Rodriguez cam for sure.
 
"Who's planning to buy an HV20"

Funny, my brother-in-law is getting an HDTV and asked me if there was a decent little camcorder for a grand or less that would really shine on his new TV. Guess what I recommended? :)

It ain't just for filmmakers, that's for sure.
 
LOL. I told you, the prophecy is being fulfilled. Prepare for the darkening of the morning sky.
 
people are comparing the HV20 to the other Canon HD cameras & the HVX200, but how will it compare to the DVX100b?

I mean it's native 16:9, it's high def, w/ 24p & a "cinema" preset!

So how will it fair against the DVX? The DVX100x has a XLR mic connection & the user has access to adjusting the image. But the DVX is a toaster (size wise) compared to the HV20 plus $1,500 more in price!

I'm selling my 2nd camera (GS400) in order to buy the HV20, but to be honest, if it's somewhat comparable image wise to the DVX100b I might be putting that up for sale too! Those are rather strong words, but the type of shooting I'm going to be doing in a couple of months (gorilla, gun & run in a Asian country), the HV20 might be a god send!
 
What?! You'll be shooting running gorillas with a gun in Asia?!
Just kidding. I too sometimes feel the weight of portability. Today I went to shoot an interview for a documentary I'm shooting and the woman I was going to interview lived on the 7th floor with no elevator. I had my back pack fully loaded (the A1, mics, batts, cables, reflector, etc) plus a big tripod on my hands....of course, when I turned on the A1 and took a look at that beautiful image it was all worth it :D
 
bustak said:
people are comparing the HV20 to the other Canon HD cameras & the HVX200, but how will it compare to the DVX100b?

I mean it's native 16:9, it's high def, w/ 24p & a "cinema" preset!

So how will it fair against the DVX? The DVX100x has a XLR mic connection & the user has access to adjusting the image. But the DVX is a toaster (size wise) compared to the HV20 plus $1,500 more in price!

I'm selling my 2nd camera (GS400) in order to buy the HV20, but to be honest, if it's somewhat comparable image wise to the DVX100b I might be putting that up for sale too! Those are rather strong words, but the type of shooting I'm going to be doing in a couple of months (gorilla, gun & run in a Asian country), the HV20 might be a god send!
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hhmmm bustak I can't say I would recommend selling your dvx for a hv20 unless you knew first hand that it had what you needed. A lot of folks still ask for the dvx100 by name when shooting movies so I think it might be a good idea to have it around.

With that said if you are the one shooting the movies and it does what you need then yeah do it but remember no xlr, no advanced image control, no semi pro focus/zoom control. I think a HV20 + Redrock Micro might be a better way to go for most folks shooting films. Unless it is a documentary then skip the adapter.:) Remember the dvx came out a long time ago. It is amazing that it has stayed on top this long.
 
Nik Manning said:
hhmmm bustak I can't say I would recommend selling your dvx for a hv20 unless you knew first hand that it had what you needed.
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like I said, those are STRONG words, & I wouldn't sell my DVX without some deep thought & playing around w/ the HV20 for a little while! It is a doco, so I would skip the Redrock for sure.

You bring up some really good points! THANX!

rawfa said:
What?! You'll be shooting running gorillas with a gun in Asia?!
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:)
 
yea just had my dvx for a lottle over year and wouldnt sell it, but seriously thinking about getting the hv20 seen hv10 and it non proggersive footage and it looks damn good i must say know get that with a progressive image and mic input lower lux and basic cinematome sounds good im just waiting ot see some footage but the this hv20 certainly sounds like the little engine that could !!!!

peace n luv

Mark Dog
 
i just did some research on the light sensitivity of the HV20.

the HV20 is rated 3 lux at 1/30th (assuming full gain) so it should be 5 lux at 1/50th.
For you non PAL users 5 lux at 1/48th.

the A1 is rated at Approx. 5 lux (shutter speed 1/50,Gain 18dB)

so it's the same rating as the A1. i think this is because it has such a short lens (10x vs. 20x) and it has such a large image sensor (1/2.7 inch vs. 1/3)

this is great news for me!!!!!

it's sill not a DVX though... 3 lux (F1.6, 18 dB gain, 50 IRE video output) - i think IRE is the same as shutter speed????
 
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