why is there no good quality?

Actually, going to DVD, you'd want it to be 24p, no pulldown. :)

Magid, those render settings are fine, in terms of rendering to DV. What you get should be the same as what you see on your timeline.

Did you try taking your rendered AVI file and bringing it into the Vegas timeline? How does it look when you do that? (I'm trying to eliminate the possibility that it's an issue with some other media player.)
 
yea on the timeline it looks BEAUTIFUL. but then when i render it i lose all the quality, even when uncompressed. When i put it in the timeline, it is really clear,nice and looks like 24p and what i expect. All is gone when rendered. Anything i can do???
thanks
 
David Jimerson said:
Actually, going to DVD, you'd want it to be 24p, no pulldown. :)
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True, native 24p DVD authoring is mo betta if you have that option!
magid1020 said:
Anything i can do???
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Take a deep breath and render without pulldown dood!

-Stu
 
magid1020 said:
yea on the timeline it looks BEAUTIFUL. but then when i render it i lose all the quality, even when uncompressed. When i put it in the timeline, it is really clear,nice and looks like 24p and what i expect. All is gone when rendered. Anything i can do???
thanks
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You're taking your rendered file, the one which looks bad, and bringing it into the timeline again, and it looks good in Vegas? Is that right?

Sounds like you MIGHT have an external player issue of some kind.
 
no un rendered file
i bring the captured file and bring it into vegas then it looks good, then i render it, i lose all quality and doesnt look the same.
 
I think it's a problem with the DV decoder. I'm no expert, but as far as I know the DV codec deinterlaces your videos automatically since DV is supposed to be an interlaced format. Try exporting your footage into another format, like Quicktime or DivX. Vegas should recognize and remove the pulldown if you select 23.976 as your frame-rate, at least that's what my Premiere Pro does.

If you have to export it as a DV-AVI then I'm afraid you have to stick with what you see. I don't see why you would want to export stuff as DV-AVI anyways since the file sizes are so large, unless for archival purposes, but then you can export to tape in those cases.

Hope it works out for you.

KiN.
 
Then it rendered OK. It apparently looks bad on whatever you're trying to play it with.

What are you using to play it? And how -- full screen, etc.?
 
David Jimerson said:
Then it rendered OK. It apparently looks bad on whatever you're trying to play it with.

What are you using to play it? And how -- full screen, etc.?
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Well it looks bad whenever i render it into a file format, i tried every possible media player but it looks the same. What about the whole pulldown thing, do i have to do something about that, also, do i have to deinterlace footage or what? And scene files have nothing to do with this problem right.
Aside from that, what should the scene settings be to get the clearest picture ex. Matrix normal enriched, Gamme etc.
Thank You
 
magid1020 said:
Well it looks bad whenever i render it into a file format,
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I thought you said you were looking at the rendered file in Vegas and it looked fine. Was there "blurriness" when you looked at it in Vegas?


i tried every possible media player but it looks the same. What about the whole pulldown thing, do i have to do something about that, also, do i have to deinterlace footage or what? And scene files have nothing to do with this problem right.
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It depends on what you want to do with it. If you're looking to post it on the web, just render as Windows Media or Quicktime at a straight 23.976 frame rate and be done with it.

But if you render to DV, you must insert pulldown, because DV is an interlaced format. Which means that when you play it on a progressive display such as a computer screen, you will see the interlace lines. (You will also see this if you look at your original footage in a 29.97 timeline in Vegas.)

You can also render an uncompressed AVI at 23.976 with no pulldown, but the file size will be up to 5-6 times bigger than DV.

So, what are you wanting to do here? Explain that, and we can tell you what a good way to approach it will be.
 
There's no pulldown in that video. If you want to view it online, then do it as WMV or QT, not as DV AVI.

But do keep in mind -- that video was also shot and lit very well, which is the biggest part of how good it looks. :)
 
magid1020 said:
Well it looks bad whenever i render it into a file format, i tried every possible media player but it looks the same.
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There's nothing wrong with the footage in itself, you're probably not exporting the file properly. What type of file did you export out to, and what player did you use for playback? I downloaded your footage, ran it through Premiere and did some color/levels fiddling, and exported as a Quicktime file with no problems. Check it out here.

magid1020 said:
What about the whole pulldown thing, do i have to do something about that, also, do i have to deinterlace footage or what?
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In your export settings, if you select 23.976 as your frames per second, the program will automatically remove the pulldown for you. [I'm speaking from my experiences with Premiere, not sure about Vegas, maybe someone else who uses it can enlighten us on this.] There's no need to deinterlace since your footage is progressive.

magid1020 said:
And scene files have nothing to do with this problem right.
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Right.

magid1020 said:
Aside from that, what should the scene settings be to get the clearest picture ex. Matrix normal enriched, Gamme etc.
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I suggest you search around this forum a little more as there's a plethora of information on exactly this. I suggest you start from this thread, lots of good information there.

KiN.
 
Kin869 said:
There's nothing wrong with the footage in itself, you're probably not exporting the file properly. What type of file did you export out to, and what player did you use for playback? I downloaded your footage, ran it through Premiere and did some color/levels fiddling, and exported as a Quicktime file with no problems. Check it out here.

In your export settings, if you select 23.976 as your frames per second, the program will automatically remove the pulldown for you. [I'm speaking from my experiences with Premiere, not sure about Vegas, maybe someone else who uses it can enlighten us on this.] There's no need to deinterlace since your footage is progressive.


Right.

I suggest you search around this forum a little more as there's a plethora of information on exactly this. I suggest you start from this thread, lots of good information there.

KiN.
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hey man that video looked awesome. Tell me what exactly you did please. did you deinterlace? cause all the jitteriness is gone. also, whats this whole pulldown thing. when its 29.97 its not pulldown and when its 23.97 it is? i dont get it. But the video was clear and i hope tp achieve that. enlighten me haha. Also what compressor did you use or what do you use ??

thank you so much
 
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A pulldown is when the encoder adds extra frame to your 24 frames footage in order to make it 60 frames. This is because a firewire can only output a 60i stream and not a 24p one. There are two common types of pulldown: 2:3 (24p) and 2:3:3:2 (24pA). 2:3 is when you double and then triple every other frame (12x2=24 + 3x12=36 =60). And you can do the math to figure out what 2:3:3:2 is.

When your footage is imported into your NLE, the program automatically detects and remove those extra frames, giving you 24 fps. That's why the footage looks fine inside the timeline. Generally, 24pA (2:3:3:2) is preferred because the way the pattern works out makes it easier for the NLE to remove the extra frame, and thus yield higher quality. However, because the pulldown pattern is more complicated, if you try to view your unedited footage in a player before the pulldown is removed, there will be a jittery effect that you're been experiencing. That's why everybody has been telling you that you shot 24pA instead of 24p. I guess you just haven't understood it until this point. In one of your earlier post it seems like you've been exporting your footage WITH a pulldown, which is bad because you just took 24p footage and made it 60i. Try exporting WITHOUT the pulldown (this is for you Prolost :)) and you'll see much better results.
 
jade8472 said:
That's why everybody has been telling you that you shot 24pA instead of 24p. I guess you just haven't understood it until this point.
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He is shooting in 24P, at least the footage he uploaded was.

magid1020 said:
Tell me what exactly you did please. did you deinterlace?
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I've only used Premiere so I don't know if I can help much with Vegas, but here's a screencap of my settings. And you don't have to deinterlace since your footage is progressive.

KiN.
 
uncompressed AVIs or MOVs will not playback smoothly with the media players on your computer (WMP, Winamp, VLC, whatever) -- the bitrate is too high.

If you're new to the DVX, read Barry Green's DVX book. It will answer your questions before you even think of them.
 
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