That's because most of us are working in green screens now.
Percentage of Mac versus PC Users of HVX200
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Jennyparis
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- The strategy of Apple is to attract customers by "offering" Mac exclusive softwares. Does FCP exists on the Windows platform? No, BUY A MAC FIRST.David S. said:
- Apple bought Emagic a german SW company whose flagship was Logic Audio working ONLY on Windows at acquisition time.
Then Apple developped a new major version of Logic for Mac ONLY and withdraw the Windows version. BUY A MAC FIRST.
When Apple decided to join the Intel bandwagon (for technological reasons), the opportunity to run Windows programs through BootCamp was a tremendous incentive to attract windows-ers.
So, both sides are looking each others, with lust for "Other side" software.
ABOUT MAC PC Comparison.
On one side, you have a brand and models: You have to buy a G5 or a MacBook
On the other side, the brand are meaningless (Dell, IBM, ..), you define a PC
by:
- Processor
- Motherboard (Chipset, cache, RAM, Bus, interfaces)
- Graphic engine
Between a dual Athlon and a dual Opteron Dual Core in the high range, there is a world of performance!
You cannot compare a Tyan motherboard (like S2895 used alot in AV) with an Asus motherboard.
You cannot compare a high-end Nvidia engine with less pro graphic board.
Canopus is one example of a pro AV vendor recommending these brands to offer their HD products the needed performance and confort.
These high-end PC crushes the defunct workstation market for Computer Graphics (Silicon Graphics, etc...) surpassed by their (cheaper) performances.
The peace on this planet is to buy a Mac laptop when you have a PC desktop,
and to buy a PC laptop when you own a Mac Desktop.
Best of both world !
Jason Ramsey
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So, for the HVX, it looks like about a 2:1 ratio for the MAC. A little less.
Jason
Jason
It's really too bad that there aren't more options for Linux...
I'd love to ditch all the fancy graphics and background processes hogging my system resources.... (that goes for both Windows and Mac). Of course the graphics are pretty but when it comes to optimal performance.... Microsoft and Apple keep heading towards operating systems that require more and more resources to function which is a bit unfortunate.
Maybe some day!
I'd love to ditch all the fancy graphics and background processes hogging my system resources.... (that goes for both Windows and Mac). Of course the graphics are pretty but when it comes to optimal performance.... Microsoft and Apple keep heading towards operating systems that require more and more resources to function which is a bit unfortunate.
Maybe some day!
Thats it Shaw Im buying you a GUI programming guide to start the revolution 
The survey result as it stands is exactly what I expected.
The survey result as it stands is exactly what I expected.
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The ONLY BSOD I've seen since the 20th century was when I installed a bad stick of RAM. Pulled it out, no more issues.
BigMike
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I haven't gotten one in years, either.
However, it never fails that when I'm on a deadline and I start rushing as the clock ticks away, I always seem to freeze up Premiere, usually when I'm scrubbing the audio. This only happens at the end of projects when the files have become enormous and I start rushing with my cuts and effects.
Every time I have used a Mac in school (for After Effects and Maya), I have locked up the mac and had to reboot. Maybe because they are school machines.
I still like my PC, though, and though a Mac is tempting I am going to stick with what I know... But I'm buying a new machine later this year when multi-cores become more commonplace and then I might just think about that Mac.
However, it never fails that when I'm on a deadline and I start rushing as the clock ticks away, I always seem to freeze up Premiere, usually when I'm scrubbing the audio. This only happens at the end of projects when the files have become enormous and I start rushing with my cuts and effects.
Every time I have used a Mac in school (for After Effects and Maya), I have locked up the mac and had to reboot. Maybe because they are school machines.
I still like my PC, though, and though a Mac is tempting I am going to stick with what I know... But I'm buying a new machine later this year when multi-cores become more commonplace and then I might just think about that Mac.
Joe Kocsis
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I couldn't even read this whole thread, PC MAC wars.... Look it's got nothing to do with PC or MAC.. Bottom line is the software. Right now Final Cut has an industry position, and does perform very well with HVX. If you want to learn something non-industry standard like Edius go for it. I did that with SpeedRazor back in the day, and when they stopped fixing bugs, kept adding new features and more bugs, and eventually went out of business,well , I missed many of editing jobs.
I'm generally a PC guy. And for years I listened to people say how great mac was because of final cut 1 2 3 etc.. Final Cut 1 2 3 sucked.. But now it's a pretty stable and usable system. I liked Edius when I tried it but didn't want to invest my time in something that I couldn't count on being there tomorrow.
Personally I can't edit in Vegas, I find it's UI lacking... And premiere, well it's still premiere, and at least as of Pro 2.0 it still crashed and lagged.. So... With the introduction of the new intel Macs, I have to say I'm very impressed. I have both XP and OSX on both my desktop and Laptop now running natively. I also am using Parallels to run my bootcamp partition for those times when I need to do something PC but dont want to hassle with rebooting...
Anyhow... My point..
In my experience, most people that are overly pro in one direction haven't used both extensively.. and it really just comes down to what software's available on what system. Generally I believe that PC's do run most programs a bit quicker, but was that the OS or the processor?!? Currently both OS's are pretty good. Neither is perfect, but at least with the new mac's you now can have both, and that's pretty damn cool...
Joe
p.s. I still think speedrazor could have been the best editing software ever, too bad Jamie wouldn't listen.. RIP SR.. And apparently pigs do fly...
I'm generally a PC guy. And for years I listened to people say how great mac was because of final cut 1 2 3 etc.. Final Cut 1 2 3 sucked.. But now it's a pretty stable and usable system. I liked Edius when I tried it but didn't want to invest my time in something that I couldn't count on being there tomorrow.
Personally I can't edit in Vegas, I find it's UI lacking... And premiere, well it's still premiere, and at least as of Pro 2.0 it still crashed and lagged.. So... With the introduction of the new intel Macs, I have to say I'm very impressed. I have both XP and OSX on both my desktop and Laptop now running natively. I also am using Parallels to run my bootcamp partition for those times when I need to do something PC but dont want to hassle with rebooting...
Anyhow... My point..
In my experience, most people that are overly pro in one direction haven't used both extensively.. and it really just comes down to what software's available on what system. Generally I believe that PC's do run most programs a bit quicker, but was that the OS or the processor?!? Currently both OS's are pretty good. Neither is perfect, but at least with the new mac's you now can have both, and that's pretty damn cool...
Joe
p.s. I still think speedrazor could have been the best editing software ever, too bad Jamie wouldn't listen.. RIP SR.. And apparently pigs do fly...
Bill Nelson
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Panasonic should make efforts to provide equivalent service to all those companies with whom they've formed agreements, eg. Apple, Avid. Seems fair to me.
Nice comments Joe.
Again, my point being that if you have at least 50% Mac users, then Panasonic should provide software on parity for both platforms if it provides it for one.
It doesn't and that ain't right.
And for John Huston, don't onery -- you know exactly what my point is.
p2 viewer, firmware updates, going with USB2 for the p2 store without a FW option.
Those are platform centric decisions, and do not reflect marketshare or user base.
Again, my point being that if you have at least 50% Mac users, then Panasonic should provide software on parity for both platforms if it provides it for one.
It doesn't and that ain't right.
And for John Huston, don't onery -- you know exactly what my point is.
p2 viewer, firmware updates, going with USB2 for the p2 store without a FW option.
Those are platform centric decisions, and do not reflect marketshare or user base.
Jennyparis
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It is not Mac/PC platforms ratio (in the filmmaker arena, or globally) which drive Panasonic software/integration efforts, but the third-party vendors solutions integrating P2 in their workflow.
The centric application is NEWS workflow.
If you read the "Beyond" Panasonic magazine, several articles describe News TV workflow solutions, proposed by Panasonic partners.
In these solutions, including several workstations, PC/Win is the main platform.
Panasonic is promoting the P2 workflow (where metadata/MXF/GXF processing is a keystone) as a backbone to gain acceptance of their P2-enable products.
Lot of news P2 broadcast products has been showed end of 06.
Panasonic let the partners invest around the P2 technology, and these companies are those that develop the software.
Panasonic is NOT AT ALL a software developer/editor.
Apple is one of these partners (complete partner list on Beyond #6), so this is up to Apple to enrich the P2 related softwares.
The centric application is NEWS workflow.
If you read the "Beyond" Panasonic magazine, several articles describe News TV workflow solutions, proposed by Panasonic partners.
In these solutions, including several workstations, PC/Win is the main platform.
Panasonic is promoting the P2 workflow (where metadata/MXF/GXF processing is a keystone) as a backbone to gain acceptance of their P2-enable products.
Lot of news P2 broadcast products has been showed end of 06.
Panasonic let the partners invest around the P2 technology, and these companies are those that develop the software.
Panasonic is NOT AT ALL a software developer/editor.
Apple is one of these partners (complete partner list on Beyond #6), so this is up to Apple to enrich the P2 related softwares.
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I Have an HVX and edit on PC using edius (just bought the hardware installing today . . . gotta love the moment I have a realtime out to the plasma and sd precision monitor) . . . but I didnt vote in the poll, actually I just got to read it. I think mac users feel compelled to vote for anything that furthers the mac in the market. PC users dont go around quoting, I own a Dell or I own an HP. I dont say I have a nokia or I own a sharp cell phone, but mac faithfulls will soon say I have an iphone . . .
esperman
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Joe Kocsis said:p.s. I still think speedrazor could have been the best editing software ever, too bad Jamie wouldn't listen.. RIP SR.. And apparently pigs do fly...
we cut alot of stuff on speedrazor. It was a good editing program......but eventually I got tired of crashes,etc and jumped to FCP. I really like the program, and the stability. I know it isnt the best as far as realtime effects/mixing media..but that really isnt an issue with me. Even on realtime systems you have to render to get best results anyway.
I really think most pros use multiple platforms, the way we use multiple cameras, depending on what the project calls for.
soren k jensen
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Both PC and Mac, kinda
Both PC and Mac, kinda
I use a PC laptop to offload P2 cards, and Mac for fcp studio5, shake, logic audio etc.
It is quite annoying to have to buy third party sw just to see mxf files.:crybaby:
Both PC and Mac, kinda
I use a PC laptop to offload P2 cards, and Mac for fcp studio5, shake, logic audio etc.
It is quite annoying to have to buy third party sw just to see mxf files.:crybaby:
maverickstunts
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I started on pc's and used Premiere for over 3 years. 3 years of a lot of frustration with having to re install, not running any kind of virus software, re boot etc. Finally went into mac because we wanted to go high def and at that time the only high def capture cards were cinewave and kona. I hated starting up the mac and trying to figure stuff out, but when I finally did and got used to it, I won't ever switch back. It is just too easy to not have viruses have the software plug and play and just overall run smoother and better. No re installs, no downloads to fix whatever bug has hit windows lately and doing all the updates on ALL programs because they have a new fix.
It is what it is, whatever you are used to and want to use is right for you. One isn't really any better overall or "head and shoulders" above the other. It is a personal preference.
It is what it is, whatever you are used to and want to use is right for you. One isn't really any better overall or "head and shoulders" above the other. It is a personal preference.
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
I completely agree with you. My first computer was the Apple ][ + back around 1982 or so. I upgraded to the Mac in '89 and have been on it since. Every place I worked used PCs so I've had plenty of experience with both. Personally, I like the "feel" of the Mac. Each to his own. Whatever works for you.maverickstunts said:
It doesn't matter what you use as long as it gets the job done for you and you like it.
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