new HD monitor from JVC

Ya, sweet monitor...4500 bones though
then there is the Dell 30 inch...
Apples and oranges to be sure
still at 1500 bucks the Dell is sweet.
 
But the Dell 24" is a horrible monitor for using as a video production monitor. It works excellently as a computer monitor, but as a video monitor it is simply unacceptable. I doubt at the price point that the 30" would be any better.

There's a reason that a good video monitor like the 17" Panasonic costs three times as much as the Dell 24". And the JVC 24" costs 7x as much as the Dell 24". It's because the Dell 24" isn't a video monitor (even though it has analog component HD inputs!)

So if you want a video monitor to monitor your video, buy a video monitor... :thumbsup:
 
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Barry_Green said:
But the Dell 24" is a horrible monitor for using as a video production monitor. It works excellently as a computer monitor, but as a video monitor it is simply unacceptable. I doubt at the price point that the 30" would be any better.

There's a reason that a good video monitor like the 17" Panasonic costs three times as much as the Dell 24". And the JVC 24" costs 7x as much as the Dell 24". It's because the Dell 24" isn't a video monitor (even though it has analog component HD inputs!)

So if you want a video monitor to monitor your video, buy a video monitor... :thumbsup:
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i can understand that a dell would degrade the image quality whenever converting the analogs to digital but what about an sdi to dvi converter box? they do a fair job of scaling and reproducing color on an lcd for a fraction of the price. and while we're at it, what about the red's hdmi output (if it's still there) directly into an hdmi input on a native hd display? or is that only for live monitoring and not playback? i guess we're not talking about true 4k anymore but i guess we never were.
 
That might look pretty darn good. Through the DVI input the Dell looks great, so if you've got a good quality converter box it might be fine.
 
The issue with using an HD-SDI or HDMI to DVI adaptor to get a digital signal straight out of RED and onto something like a 24" Dell panel is, you've got no idea what your colors really look like. If you want remotely accurate color you need a LUT somewhere in there that understands how to take RED's output and turn it into something that will look like (for instance) Rec. 709 when displayed on the Dell panel.

We've heard that RED has built-in real-time LUT support, so this might be possible... but how do you get a LUT tailored to a specific model of panel? And actually, ideally you need a LUT tailored to a specific unit, because they're not all identical. And the color variation Dell allows for desktop screens from unit to unit is going to be a lot higher than what vendors allow for professional video monitors.

If real-time LUT support pans out and if RED allows LUTs to be loaded externally, there's a real opportunity here for a third-party to make a calibration device that profiles desktop screens and generates custom LUTs. But that's a bunch of 'ifs' and this device might be kind of pricey because of the relatively small market.
 
Does the dell allow you to upload hardware based LUTs? That would be very interesting news to me....

Without giving too much away I've (along with some nice discussions with Glenn Chan) been working on some code to transform a standard monitor into a calibrated HD spec monitor using readily available tools but this still requires a computer system and video card. If the Dell can accept LUTs internally that would be superb....
 
Shaw said:
Does the dell allow you to upload hardware based LUTs? That would be very interesting news to me....
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No, and given the market for their products, they're never likely to do so. As I said above, it's RED that might apparently have on-boad custom LUT support, though there aren't many details.

Shaw said:
Without giving too much away I've (along with some nice discussions with Glenn Chan) been working on some code to transform a standard monitor into a calibrated HD spec monitor using readily available tools but this still requires a computer system and video card. If the Dell can accept LUTs internally that would be superb....
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On the desktop, with a monitor you know is calibrated properly to known settings (though a standard calibration device like a Spyder2), my understanding is you should theoretically be able to get something approaching accurate color entirely by using standard ICC-based color management systems already in widespread use in the desktop publishing industry.

Unfortunately, ICC-based workflow is not widely supported in video applications. AfterEffects will apply ICC profiles if you manually tell it to. I have a Rec. 709 ICC profile kicking around that I've tried this with, but lacking a professional broadcast monitor to compare with side-by-side, I've got no idea how good the results are.
 
my understanding is you should theoretically be able to get something approaching accurate color entirely by using standard ICC-based color management systems already in widespread use in the desktop publishing industry.

Unfortunately, ICC-based workflow is not widely supported in video applications.
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Yes, it is theoretically possible. :) It may end up that you don't need specific applications to support ICC profiles - you just need to modify the video card LUT and maybe some some additional software running in the background. This is what I'm working towards.

I have a Rec. 709 ICC profile kicking around that I've tried this with, but lacking a professional broadcast monitor to compare with side-by-side, I've got no idea how good the results are.
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This I did know but I'm not sure how that works entirely. I'm assuming this must take into account an accurate profiling of your monitor by hardware as well? Otherwise it's a bit useless...
 
The Blackmagic HDLink HD-SDI > DVI converter box allows you to upload custom LUTs. And the pricing just dropped to below $500. So a Dell 24" with an HDLink would be a very viable alternative to the JVC with significant savings. There's just more hardware and cables to wrangle with this solution though.
 
Shaw said:
Yes, it is theoretically possible. :) It may end up that you don't need specific applications to support ICC profiles - you just need to modify the video card LUT and maybe some some additional software running in the background. This is what I'm working towards.
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Interesting. I know OptiCal (the software I use with my Spyder2) has various "targets" which it aims for when calibrating the display. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to offer Rec. 709.

Make sure you guys support OS X. :dankk2:

Shaw said:
This I did know but I'm not sure how that works entirely. I'm assuming this must take into account an accurate profiling of your monitor by hardware as well? Otherwise it's a bit useless...
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Right. Color profiles, after all, basically just define how the values in an image should be interpreted relative to XYZ. The process of displaying an image on the screen in a color managed system is basically the equivalent of using the image's profile to convert the image to XYZ, and then using the monitor's profile to display that XYZ data as accurately as possible.

Or, that's my understanding anyway. My experience with this stuff is as an end-user, so there might be some other stuff going on under the hood.
 
Or, that's my understanding anyway. My experience with this stuff is as an end-user, so there might be some other stuff going on under the hood.
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Nope, that sounds about right. You said this was a downloaded file though? It seems like that wouldn't be near accurate enough since it doesn't incorporate specific data about your specific monitor.
 
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