Up-Rezing spoken in REDCINE?

[Stuart English]

High speed 1080p

High speed 1080p

Usual caveat, all specifications are subject to change, and will - guarenteed!

The chart for 1080p is accurate. The max record rate stated over SATA is 60fps.... What we haven't updated is 720p over SATA can go up to 120fps...

For 1080p at 120fps, your path is to capture 2K RAW at 120fps external to the camera over the high speed data port, and extract 1080p from RAW using REDCINE.

 

[ZaneIsNumber1]

Will Red be offering a windowed 2K version of Redcode Raw for S16mm shooting?

If so, any ideas about what sort of frame rates will be possible in this mode (60fps? Maybe 120fps?)

I'm optimistic.

Thanks

 

[Rob Lohman]

ZaneIsNumber1: both your questions were answered by Stuart on the previous page of this thread

 

[ZaneIsNumber1]

ZaneIsNumber1: both your questions were answered by Stuart on the previous page of this thread

Thanks Robl and Stuart.

I'll blame it on speed reading.

 

[MikeCurtis]

720p @ 120 fps - what aperture?

720p @ 120 fps - what aperture?

Hey Stuart -

how is that 720p to be derived - I'm guessing that is presumed to be from S16 aperture, but is it full S16 aperture or windowed even further? Is it 2K scaled to 720p and then compressed? Or just 1280x720p from the sensor and then that compressed?

My vote, if possible, would be for it to be scaled from the 2K

Ever inquisitive,

-mike

 

[JDHolloway]

1000 fps

1000 fps

If you guys are serious about frame rates, checkout Velocity Media Systems.

1000 fps digital

I just finished a job with Steve Romano who brought a Phantom high speed digital up from New York. Aparently there are only 5 units in existence, all prototypes. They can only record 2 seconds; 2000 frames on board.

I must say it looked great in the monitor. We were shooting food sizzling over flames. It perfectly caught the unburned smoke at the tip of each flame and oil bursting in air.

Download times were a ***** and slow, but then these are prototypes.

 

[earthling]

We'll update the formats data sheet soon, but the complete list of recording options is -

Internal / Local : (REDCODE to RED-FLASH or RED-DRIVE etc)

4K RAW @ 1 - 30fps

2K RAW @ 1 - 60fps

2K RGB @ 1 - 60fps

1080p @ 1 - 60fps (Generate 1080i if desired from a 1080p recording)

720p @ 1 - 120fps

Hello, great specs, however I'm not quite clear about the 2K formats mentioned here, are they windowed ? What are the options of shooting using the whole sensor but recording to something smaller (aka 2K)? I want to do this, to preserve shallow depth of field yet be able to maximize the amount of footage I can record and also, to minimize render times in Redcine.

Thank you Red team for your continued hard work and for keeping us updated, cheers,
Damien

 

[mike the beginner]

If you guys are serious about frame rates, checkout Velocity Media Systems.

1000 fps digital

How much$$$$$$$ Red one is $17,500:huh:

I think i read in an earlier post some weeks ago that the 120 fps is only available in the red raid and in that particular high speed port. If 2k rather than 720p were available (i dont think it is ) then surely 1080p must be available as well. I just remember being a little disappointed at that time that i could not shoot 120 fps in 1080p using red code.

Michael

 

[Stuart English]

Frame sizes / rates

Frame sizes / rates

"I just remember being a little disappointed at that time that i could not shoot 120 fps in 1080p using red code"

We've obviously moved expectations a long way! Especially when the current top end HD camcorders don't run faster than 1080p/30 or 720p/60.....

The chart at http://red.com/formatoptions.htm was updated recently, so this should answer the questions about 2K and frame rates etc. But for 35mm frame size, you are looking at 4K RAW or 2K RGB. For S16mm frame size you can be 2K RAW or 2K RGB, either one of those are cropped to create 1080p, 1080i or 720p. Note 1080i is generated by dropping fields from 1080p, and 720p is generated by scaling from 1080p. Hence all three of the HD formats share the same FOV, all three have slightly smaller FOV than 2K.

1080p / 120 would be generated by recording 2K RAW at 120fps to an external RAID, then converting to 2K RGB and cropping to 1080p.

 

[jlaurili]

Would you not want some uprezing support if you you have some 720p footage at 120 FPS, but most of your footage was shot at 4K, and your final product is to be rendered at 4K?

 

[FatBird19]

2K RAW @ 1 - 60fps

2K RGB @ 1 - 60fps

Is that for full sensor or windowed mode only?

 

[scienceguy_ae]

Is that for full sensor or windowed mode only?

RAW can't be scaled and stay RAW, so I believe it's windowed 2k RAW and windowed or full sensor 2k RGB. Remember that you can record the RGB "unprocessed" (which is not the same as RAW, but has many of it's advantages–-no burned in white-balance, etc).

The real question is whether the scaled 2k RGB can be recorded onboard at 60fps as the windowed 2k RGB can. Has this been answered elsewhere?

 

[JTmoney]

I'm so inpressed with REDCODE and what it is capable of. I see no need to use a high speed external recording! My question is, according to the new format chart, if I will be shooting exclusively useing REDCODE, does that eliminate the need for a super 35mm lens, and simply go with a good 35mm lens? Or am I reading it wrong?

 

[FatBird19]

I'm so inpressed with REDCODE and what it is capable of. I see no need to use a high speed external recording! My question is, according to the new format chart, if I will be shooting exclusively useing REDCODE, does that eliminate the need for a super 35mm lens, and simply go with a good 35mm lens? Or am I reading it wrong?

well S35 covers a larger area of the sensor so if possible buy S35 lenses so you'll have more options later. You wouldn't want to buy a regular 35 lens and risk it being soft at the edges of the screen if you're ever able to shoot int S35.

 

[Darkline]

Hi Stuart

If 120 2K is simply too fast for SATA, is there any chance you could shoot 2K 120fps to Redram or even RedFlash? (tho i'm sure the bandwidth for redflash would be even lower than SATA...)

 

[earthling]

Originally Posted by Stuart English
2K RAW @ 1 - 60fps

2K RGB @ 1 - 60fps
Is that for full sensor or windowed mode only?

This was my question, and has been answered quite clearly by Stuart English, (many thanks to him), 2K raw is windowed, 2K RGB is either full sensor or windowed.

Most of my projects are geared towards HD, I'm quite aware of the benefits of shooting in higher quality, and I want the type of DOF you get with 35mm, so I want want to shoot full sensor. Now what are we gaining, or losing, by shooting 2K RGB full sensor verses 4K raw is what I have to evaluate.

Cheers,
Damien