Shooting W/hvx-200 And Using Fcp 5...

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portanova

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Here's my question...what's the best way to edit the HD footage that the HVX-200 shoots? 2 give more detail about what I'm talking about...some people shoot using the HVX-200 AND then import the HD footage into their computer or external harddrive and begin to edit it out. But, using this system the computer seems to crash more, and it's high end computers were talking about here. Now someone said that you can shoot using the HVX-200 in HD mode(720p or 1080i) edit the footage in dv and then export the final cut in hd.....??? I've asked around and have got many different answers, that's why I'm taking my question to DVXUSER members. Some say it has something to do with timecode, some say the computer just knows how to do it, some say down-convert the footage on import and then export in HD? None of this makes any sense to me....please help. I know when shooting with film they edit in dv and then match up the timecode for the cuts, that's the only thing I could think of. IF THIS IS POSSIBLE WHAT ARE THE STEPS AND HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT???

thanks,
tom
 
portanova said:
Here's my question...what's the best way to edit the HD footage that the HVX-200 shoots? 2 give more detail about what I'm talking about...some people shoot using the HVX-200 AND then import the HD footage into their computer or external harddrive and begin to edit it out. But, using this system the computer seems to crash more, and it's high end computers were talking about here. Now someone said that you can shoot using the HVX-200 in HD mode(720p or 1080i) edit the footage in dv and then export the final cut in hd.....??? I've asked around and have got many different answers, that's why I'm taking my question to DVXUSER members. Some say it has something to do with timecode, some say the computer just knows how to do it, some say down-convert the footage on import and then export in HD? None of this makes any sense to me....please help. I know when shooting with film they edit in dv and then match up the timecode for the cuts, that's the only thing I could think of. IF THIS IS POSSIBLE WHAT ARE THE STEPS AND HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT???

thanks,
tom
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What final cut pro 5 are you using? 5.01? Final Cut only starts to support HD P2 correctly starting from FCP 5.04.
 
The BEST way to edit the HD footage from the HVX is to use EDIUS Broadcast, because you don't even have to transfer to a hard disk or unwrap/rewrap the footage or anything else. Just plug the card in, and edit the footage immediately in real time. In fact, you can run six streams of HD 1080 in real time from the card.

The whole concept of downconverting and editing an offline/DV res version and then exporting an EDL and recapturing and editing online is a phenomenal waste of time, it's completely unnecessary. DVCPRO-HD edits incredibly well, there's no reason to transcode to a different codec or downrez. My laptop has handled four streams of HD in real time, so why downrez and use timecode and go through all those additional steps?

As for FCP: FCP is a sweet editor, but its P2 integration doesn't fulfill the potential of what the tapeless workflow can be. Maybe version 6 will fix that.
 
Barry, what does EDIUS use to get the DVCProHD codec? An intermediary codec?

How are you mounting the card? Firewire, p2 store, or downloading to desktop?

And if you want to author the finished footage to DVD, how is that done?

Are we discussing Edius Broadcast Pro 4?

thanks
 
Canopus provides their own DVCProHD codec with Edius, it can open up AVI and QuickTime files using this codec, as well as P2 MXF containers.

Edius also provides two intermediary codecs for editing HD content, primarily for those using HDV. One is a lossless codec, and the other is a visually lossless codec (with several quality tuning options).

Edius can generate a VOB file for DVD authoring, or MPEG program or elementary streams. It does not support AC3 unfortunately, so I export with 48KHz PCM audio and then convert that separately.

Edius 4 Pro does not support DVCProHD, only Edius 4 Broadcast.
 
I haven't heard of anyone trying it, but there's a free trial you can download. The purchased product does require a USB dongle, and if anything will cause a problem, I believe it will be that which will screw things up.

The nice thing about the dongle is that it allows you to install the software on your editing system at the office and a laptop in the field, and you just move the dongle around as needed. Canopus also has a utility that lets you transfer the license from the dongle to the hard disk and back, but if the drive crashes while the license is on it, you may be SOL.
 
Boy, I am not a big fan of hardware keys.

FCP permits two installs on desktop and laptop not to be used simultaneously.

However, it might be worth a try.

Quick question: do you need to install anything to mount the p2 card on the XP desktop with Edius Broadcast 4?

Or just mount the cam with FW or USB and start ingesting for editing?
 
Thanks to everyone that reposted, it helped out a bunch!!! And Barry, your DVD's are a lifesaver, I have the dvx dvd, and I'm going to buy the HVX dvd when they come out with the HVX-200 model A in early 07. I hear their going from dvcpro hd to h.264 codec.
 
portanova said:
Thanks to everyone that reposted, it helped out a bunch!!! And Barry, your DVD's are a lifesaver, I have the dvx dvd, and I'm going to buy the HVX dvd when they come out with the HVX-200 model A in early 07. I hear their going from dvcpro hd to h.264 codec.
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Absolutely no confirmation of a revised version of the HVX200 in early January or a switch to h.264.

Don't where you go this
 
Regardless of whether you use P2 cards in a PCMCIA/PCCard slot or a direct connection to the HVX200 using a USB cable, you must install Panasonic's P2 drivers.

I actually like the USB dongle idea much better than activation schemes, which I've had problems with in the past -- most recently when DV Rack 2.0 HD was updated to V2.1. It took six days to get Softwrap (the vendor of the activation code) to fix the problems, which were on their end.
 
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