Total Red Costs?

Columbo

Columbo

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I was going to go for the HVX200 / M2 and a new Mac but I reckon long term it would make more sense saving up a bit more (!!) and getting one of these bad boys.

What sort of costs am I looking at for a total Red kit -- camera, field monitor, lenses, tripod, computer for editing, editing monitor etc. -- any ideas of ball park figures?

I'm guessing about $50k?

Cheers
Chris
 
This has been discussed adnauseum, take a look through this section and you will find MANY threads on this topic.

Do we really need another thread on this topic?



- Mikko
 
Columbo said:
I was going to go for the HVX200 / M2 and a new Mac but I reckon long term it would make more sense saving up a bit more (!!) and getting one of these bad boys.

What sort of costs am I looking at for a total Red kit -- camera, field monitor, lenses, tripod, computer for editing, editing monitor etc. -- any ideas of ball park figures?

I'm guessing about $50k?

Cheers
Chris
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Camera, battery, basic storage and case $20,000
Lenses - $10,000
Computer/Storage - $5000
Editing Monitor - $4000
Tripod - $ 3000
Field Monitor - $3000???
 
baquajim said:
Field Monitor - $3000???
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I say that depends on how much of a prick your director and producers are. I've known many who are happy to walk up to the camera and check out the shot through the VF or on the A.C.'s focus monitor... they're generally happy with a little crappy SD CRT monitor from eBay. :laugh:
 
Thanks Fellas.

Hey Mikko.... I did use the search feature, and clicked page by page up to page ten -- my eyes got blurry by page 11. Took your subtle hint (!) and persevered, found this thread on page 14...

http://dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=72900

Looks like the $50k figure is about right for an "all in" system (presuming RED don't start hiking the prices up).
 
Of course, one must consider that there may be easier way to access certain kinds of rigging than just buying. Renting can be the way to go sometimes... particularly with specialized equipment. Need a gear head or dolly? Need a 1080p studio monitor for the producers? Need that 8mm lens for one shot? Well...
 
Columbo, I think there are a lot of variables. Consider the following:

1. Camera has not been released yet, so some details are a bit uncertain.
2. What kind of projects will you be using the camera for? This to me is an important consideration when trying to plan for additional gear.
3. Do you already own any gear that could be used in your new camera package, i.e. a good tripod, lights, etc?
4. Will you be doing 4K? If most of your projects will be 720 or 1080P, that could change what you'll need. Some people will buy this camera as a best of all worlds scenario, meaning they have options and don't have to buy another camera a year from now.
5. Do you have a good rental company nearby? When projects come up that demand better gear, you can rent it. Not always a great idea to own everything, unless you feel you can make the money back quickly.

I think once you identify what you want the camera to do for you, you can start to pinpoint what you'll want for a package.

Steve
 
Also, you may want to consider holding off on buying a new Mac until some minimum requirements for RedCine are released.

Steve
 
baquajim said:
Camera, battery, basic storage and case $20,000
Lenses - $10,000
Computer/Storage - $5000
Editing Monitor - $4000
Tripod - $ 3000
Field Monitor - $3000???
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Rent the lenses. They are less than 100 USD a day for a Zeiss Super Speed (1.3T) PL mount set. They cost a lor mroe than $10,000! a Nikon Cine Prime Lens set costs $14,500 USD used!
 
pablovi said:
Rent the lenses. They are less than 100 USD a day for a Zeiss Super Speed (1.3T) PL mount set. They cost a lor mroe than $10,000! a Nikon Cine Prime Lens set costs $14,500 USD used!
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He didn't want to rent the lenses, he wanted a ballpark figure on buying lenses.

They don't cost a lot more than $10,000. You can buy PL mount 2.1 sets at isaia.com for $8500 to $9500. They list three of them now.

I did some checking around and found everyone has superspeeds at around $60 a day for one lens. That makes a set of four around $200 a day.

If you know of a place that rents a whole set for less than $100 a day, please post it, I am very interested.
 
Yeah, you can get an older Zeiss set for less than $10,000. New Zeiss primes will cost you more than $10K each. A new 35mm Cooke zoom will cost you several times of what you pay for RED.

rplens.com will sell you a set of modified 35mm still Nikon lenses for about $4K. You can also put your own set together for less than that.

You can get an old B4 mount lens cheap and shoot in windowed 2K mode. You can also get older 35mm Film Zooms for a grand or two but optics have advanced quite a bit since those days.
 
Lowkus said:
$3000 tripod? There must be solid ones out there for a lot less.
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Yeah, like the Bogen tripods but the heads are crappy and the build just isn't good.

I own Cartoni and a Vinten tripods and you really get what you pay for. Do yourself a favor and get the best carbon fiber tripod & head set you can afford from O'Connor, Sachtler, Vinten, Miller or Cartoni, they all good and and blow the Bogen ones out of the water. Not only will a good tripod last a long time but you will feel the difference and it will be visible especially when you project or if you work with longer lenses. Heck, also get yourself a gear head or two!
 
in my opinion 50k are not realistic for basic package -

tripods kit long,medium,baby - 5000$
fluid head 2060/2575 - 7000$
Arri MB 14 - 4000$
Arri LMB4 - 1500$
Arri FF 3 - 4000$
kit of 2nd hand zeiss primes - 20.000$
300mm red - 5000$
18-85 red zoom - 10000$
red rail,cage,EVF - 6000$
Red one - 17500$
HDW 1800 - 30000$
9" HD preview tube screen- 3000$
raincover /dustcover - 400$

111.000 $ without the small parts, for the camera department.
most film people are use to work with oconnor heads and other standards and i see no way to convience them working in the future with a manfrotto tripod or AC matteboxes. no potencial to safe much money, at the end the camerabody is just a little part.
 
baquajim said:
Computer/Storage - $5000
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I hope you mean for a compressed 1080P or 720P workflow... Then it's barely feasable with $5K

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but a $5K storage/computer system isn't going to have you breezing through 4K or 2K work, I don't care what codec you come up with. Not saying impossible, just highly impractical productivity wise.

For native 2K and 4K data you're going to have to spend at the very least that $5K on an economic RAID and interface that's capable of that throughput. Unless Redcode becomes an editing codec as well and then you'll have to put that $5K on the fastest processors you can find. All I'm saying is that don't expect 2K and 4K data to handle smoothly unless there's a hefty storage throughput and processing infrastructure to support it..
 
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Sarmoti said:
I hope you mean for a compressed 1080P or 720P workflow... Then it's barely feasable with $5K

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but a $5K storage/computer system isn't going to have you breezing through 4K or 2K work, I don't care what codec you come up with. Not saying impossible, just highly impractical productivity wise.

For native 2K and 4K data you're going to have to spend at the very least that $5K on an economic RAID and interface that's capable of that throughput. Unless Redcode becomes an editing codec as well and then you'll have to put that $5K on the fastest processors you can find. All I'm saying is that don't expect 2K and 4K data to handle smoothly unless there's a hefty storage throughput and processing infrastructure to support it..
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Speaking of which, Quad cores should be out quite soon. A quad-quadcore (16 core) sporting nucleo should handle 4k quite nicely.
 
Sarmoti said:
For native 2K and 4K data you're going to have to spend at the very least that $5K on an economic RAID and interface that's capable of that throughput. Unless Redcode becomes an editing codec as well and then you'll have to put that $5K on the fastest processors you can find. All I'm saying is that don't expect 2K and 4K data to handle smoothly unless there's a hefty storage throughput and processing infrastructure to support it..
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I totally aggree, working with 4k uncompressed image will demands extreme fast hdd and handle 4k compressed will demands fast processing.


Personnaly (of course without seeing any definitive images from the cam) I would love to have an effective workflow to handle RED uncompressed 2k, and don't mind offline editing and working with proxy.
 
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