Be More Revelotionary on the RED Lens
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Chris Kenny
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Hmm... I think I'd be willing to risk it (especially given the return policy), for a chance to get a cine zoom at that price... if it's a fundamentally decent lens in the first place. Unfortunately, it seems to be almost impossible to find information about specific lens models. Unlike with, say, Nikon lenses, there don't seem to be reviews floating around.
Andreas Höhn
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does the 20-120mm covers full S35 area ? S35 area is a bit wider than 35 and unfortunatly many older lenses will not complete cover S35. i am pretty shure the sensor will be optimized for S35 lenses. At traditional filmcameras the mount is switchable between S35 and 35. It moves a few millimeters when you shoot S35 to expose a wider area - incl. the sound area.
Andreas Höhn
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"Super 35 (originally known as Superscope 235) is a motion picturefilm format that uses exactly the same film stock as standard 35 mm film, but puts a larger image frame on that stock by using the negative space normally reserved for the optical analog sound track.
If using 4-perf, the Super 35 camera aperture is 24.89 mm × 18.66 mm (0.980 in × 0.735 in), compared to the standard Academy 35 mm film size of 21.95 mm × 16.00 mm (0.864 in × 0.630 in) and thus provides 32% more image area than the standard 35-mm format."
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_35_mm_film
If using 4-perf, the Super 35 camera aperture is 24.89 mm × 18.66 mm (0.980 in × 0.735 in), compared to the standard Academy 35 mm film size of 21.95 mm × 16.00 mm (0.864 in × 0.630 in) and thus provides 32% more image area than the standard 35-mm format."
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_35_mm_film
Stephen W
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Absolutely true, but the Academy aperture doesn't cover the whole of the width of the negative - it too has been shrunk down from the Full aperture to allow for an optical soundtrack along the left hand side.
Standard 35mm camera lenses cover the Full aperture, not just the Academy aperture, and so will also cover Super 35mm as well.
Standard 35mm camera lenses cover the Full aperture, not just the Academy aperture, and so will also cover Super 35mm as well.
Andreas Höhn
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I see, thanks.
filmmaker1977
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hey andreas, when did you do your reservation? red one, red zoom and red 300mm? thx
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Thank you for all the input to this thread that I initiated.
Can someone confirm the price quotations on the current movie zoom lenses for 35mm cinematography (see first two posts of this thread). I am particularly interested to know which one costs $60,000. Hope manufacturers or distributors of these products can verify.
Another thought, since the Mysterium chip has very similar size to an APS-sized CCDs used in many digital SLR cameras, I'd assume something like Nikon DX lenses would be able to cover the entire frame of RED ONE. Unfortunately, like Canon EF lenses, they don't have an external (manual) iris ring to adjust the aperture. Is it too far fetch to consider modifying a DSLR camera body by severing the front mount, together with some electronic circuits, and put it on a RED camera body so that we can somehow control the iris?
People with machining and electronic modification knowledge please shed some light.
Derek:huh:
Can someone confirm the price quotations on the current movie zoom lenses for 35mm cinematography (see first two posts of this thread). I am particularly interested to know which one costs $60,000. Hope manufacturers or distributors of these products can verify.
Another thought, since the Mysterium chip has very similar size to an APS-sized CCDs used in many digital SLR cameras, I'd assume something like Nikon DX lenses would be able to cover the entire frame of RED ONE. Unfortunately, like Canon EF lenses, they don't have an external (manual) iris ring to adjust the aperture. Is it too far fetch to consider modifying a DSLR camera body by severing the front mount, together with some electronic circuits, and put it on a RED camera body so that we can somehow control the iris?
People with machining and electronic modification knowledge please shed some light.
Derek:huh:
Brook Willard
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Must... resist... dorky... impulse...HKSC said:
Oh, hell.
Andreas Höhn
Member
the angenieux optimo 24-290 is very expensive,the most expensive zoom i know - its around 47000€ and it has a long waiting cue, half year. this lens is matched to the cooke S4 and zeiss ultra primes. Its a T2.8 lens.
Emanuel
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And about your $2,000 purchase -- any scratches or other old marks*?Mardi_Gras said:
* as for instance, circular cleaning ones like it was mentioned as a real concern for used glass gear.
EDIT -- I'd like like to understand their standards on this sort of used gear @that_price, of course.
Why not Leica M mount?
Why not Leica M mount?
When I posted the following message to another thread I forgot to mention that you can use thousands of Leica screw mount lenses (earlier model) with an adapter to an M mount. That makes our selection even much, much wider, and good quality too.
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Come to think about it, the Zeiss ZM series seems to be even more interesting (I was refering to the Nion F mount Zeiss ZF series mentioned in another thread). There are super wide lenses that we need (missing a large aperture 18mm though), most of every thing is F2.8 on the wide side.
http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/8e8ae439a3fd6101c125711b005a77c4
Plus the long history of Leica and abundant supply from Cosina (under the Voigtlander name), the Russian and now Zeiss, we have plenty of choices, from prohibitively expensive to extremely affordable.
Don't forget, one of the biggest reasons that range finder cameras have survived is the better wide angle lens design compare with those made for SLRs that need to take the mirror movement into consideration.
Like other posters have mentioned, I just wish RED will come up with a Leica M adapter when they first ship the camera and not ask us to resort to a third party solution.
Derek
Why not Leica M mount?
When I posted the following message to another thread I forgot to mention that you can use thousands of Leica screw mount lenses (earlier model) with an adapter to an M mount. That makes our selection even much, much wider, and good quality too.
Original post:
Come to think about it, the Zeiss ZM series seems to be even more interesting (I was refering to the Nion F mount Zeiss ZF series mentioned in another thread). There are super wide lenses that we need (missing a large aperture 18mm though), most of every thing is F2.8 on the wide side.
http://www.zeiss.com/c12567a8003b58b9/Contents-Frame/8e8ae439a3fd6101c125711b005a77c4
Plus the long history of Leica and abundant supply from Cosina (under the Voigtlander name), the Russian and now Zeiss, we have plenty of choices, from prohibitively expensive to extremely affordable.
Don't forget, one of the biggest reasons that range finder cameras have survived is the better wide angle lens design compare with those made for SLRs that need to take the mirror movement into consideration.
Like other posters have mentioned, I just wish RED will come up with a Leica M adapter when they first ship the camera and not ask us to resort to a third party solution.
Derek
Apple to Apple
Apple to Apple
But I was inquiring the prices of the "standard zooms" similar to the RED lens in focal length range, e.g. Angenieux 17-120mm T2.9, Techno-Cooke 18-90mm T2.3 (might have been discontinued) and the Cooke 18-100mm T3.
Anybody knows the new prices?
Derek:dankk2:
Apple to Apple
Andreas Höhn said:
But I was inquiring the prices of the "standard zooms" similar to the RED lens in focal length range, e.g. Angenieux 17-120mm T2.9, Techno-Cooke 18-90mm T2.3 (might have been discontinued) and the Cooke 18-100mm T3.
Anybody knows the new prices?
Derek:dankk2:
Anders Holck
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Mardi_Gras
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Mine didn't come with any scratches, although they are preety old and probably rehoused zooms; other than that, couln't say what their standards are, for basing their prices.Emanuel said: