Stedy Cam Flyer/Red Rock Follow Foucus Reveiw

Vincent Pascoe

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Been very busy. a few weeks ago i did some test Shooting with the HVX/M2/Stedy cam flyer. Now wile shooting time-lapse in Sedona I have some time to report. Since the first Test shooting I've done 3 more shoots with the Flyer/m2/HVX combo and 5 more shoots with the Follow focus.

The test spec footage montage is here

http://files.filefront.com/test_footage_720mov/;5249617;;/fileinfo.html


or

streaming Flash here

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=919061900&n=2





Red Rock Follow focus Review
by Vincent Pascoe


PROS::
Cheap Amazing for under $600
smooth and Acurate
Works with any Still/hvx lens
arri Style hole fits Whips


CONS
Lag in Gear to Focus knob
Disk doesn't come off for cleaning
Knob on one side


the Worst is the Lag, a moment after you start to move the Knob but before the gear moves. My AC (Amish Jim) would have to “set” the Direction the rack was going to be in. The Lag in the Gear can be a real big Pain expressly on small racks back and forth and on Auto focus lenses or Macro Lenses. I talked with the Red rock guys and they Said there lag is better than the competition witch may be true but it still really hurts. I think the problem is in the gearing to the Lens. The ratio makes it very noticeable on Some lenses. if the ratio between the Follow focus and lens where changes so it would be a smaller movement the Lag wouldn't be as much of an issue. Racking on the still lenses worked great except on my Auto focus lens the Direction was changed so on the LA side of Camera forward went backward. It takes a sec for you to make sure you don't over tighten the Gear up into the lens making it harder to rack. But after testing that all the lenses moved really smooth. I also didn't get 2 screws shipped to me to tighten up the FF on to the Rods so I Home depoted some…The fact that the ring doesn’t come off is not really a problem, just not what I’m used to.

Conclusion

I always Say
“Sometimes you get what you paid for… but the rest of the time you get a great Deal.”

Having the FF instead of racking on the Lenses yourself can be a god send. The red rock follow focus is an Amazing deal at a 3rd of the cost of the only competitor that I know of. It would be perfect if not for the Lag. But with the Lag there is room for improvement.




Steady Cam Flyer Review:

I was Directing/DP not operator, but from my point of view here is my review

PROS:
Its Only 6 GRand!
works well with M2/Hvx combo handled the weight great
great movement Professional Arm
good LCD

CONS:
Its 6 ****ing Grand!
Can't run SD and HD out of HVX sucks
takes a wile to re balance after every lens change
Focus is hard to impossible with out a whip or Bartek/fiz solution


It took a long time the first time to get Balanced with the M2/FF/HVX and even just a small 50mm prime. But Eventually even with my 14mm Sigma (witch is huge). it balanced out great. my Steady cam guy Michael sSy recommends getting the Longer base plate its an additional $490 he doesn’t have it but if he did changing lenses would be quicker re balance. Focus is really hard even with a whip the Ac can ruin the balance of the Shot, we did it on one shoot it was better than just man handling the lens. The lag in the FF aculy helps because of a liitle buffer between you moving and the Lens moving. I made my own Wireless Follow focus unit and we tested it on my 14mm and it worked great but I custom made it just for that lens and have to keep re working it so it will work with all lenses. and I designed it so that it would better balance the camera By putting the Weight of the Battery/controler/Reciver to balance out the Lens and the Follow focus knob.

Conclusion
Compared to the Glide cam 4000 it’s a huge improvement and really the First Cheap (under 30,000) solution to HVX/M2. But I wish the Price tag was even remotely in the same ballpark. If you plan on doing Steady with the M2 you have to get a Remote Follow focus unit.


VP


www.vincentpascoe.com

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Good reviews! Thanks.

FYI: It's "Steadicam®" .. not "Steady Cam"

As you discovered, using a whip to contol focus on a Steadicam doesn't really work. You do really need a remote system, at least wired, with wireless preferable.

- Mikko
 
The Bartech Focus Device (BFD) is just the control radio and amplifier. The actual motor used on the lens is seperate. So compatibilety depends on the motor, gears, and lens used. Teh BFD can be calibrated to most set ups and run a good range of motors.

Check out this thread for dicsussion of the BFD & the M2 on the Flyer: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=55664

- Mikko
 
Redrock gears are Module 0.8 pitch which is the most common cinema standard.
Most servos have replacable lens gears like Module 0.3, 0.6, 0.8 etc.

The reciever of the bartech can also be used with a hardwired pot meter for normal follow focus operation. The great thing is that once the lens is calibrated all SLR lenses will have the same 270 degrees travel of the pot.
 
I have the Redrock FF and have used it quite a few times now.
Yes, the play is there but once you know about it and have got used to it, it's not a problem. Just move the FF wheel to take up the slack before doing the focus rack. Agree also that it would be good to remove the white plastic marker wheel, buut its easy to wipe clean and reuse.

Nothing cmpares to the Redrock FF and it is a real bargain that works very well. I highly recommend it.
 
yes you can "set" teh knob in the direction your going to rack its just if your going back and forth quickly you have no time for that. Its still a great deal and I do recomend it, it just has one anoying flaw.


VP
 
Redrock says they are working on a wireless setup to attach to their follow focus. At least that's what I read on their community forum. I'm not sure if that means they actually are. As far as I know they are focusing on finishing the matte box.

Good to hear the M2 doesn't weigh the Flyer down too much. But I have to say the cons listed have nothing specifically to do with the Steadicam Flyer. I mean 6 grands for a good steadicam system is cheap! The SD/HD issue is an HVX issue. All steadicams need to be rebalanced if things on it are moved. And you really want a remote follow focus to use with any steadicam.

For the record though the Steadicam is 6 grand with no additions. I need to compact vest, the hard case with wheels, and an IDX battery kit. So that's more like 9 grand.
 
True the review was more about how it behaved with the red rock M2 and HVX the Stedicam preformed great and yes as I said the price is the best and Worst thing about it.


Its cheep to the Profetionals that are used to paying 30,000

its Expensive to the Glide cam owners that are used to 2,000

and yes Ive talked to red rock and they said they where indevelopment of a Wireless Follow foucus that wouldn't breck the bank.


VP
 
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