Canon Announces New Cameras

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www.usa.canon.com. A1 version is $3999 MSRP. 1/3 CCD'S . 108Oi. 24f (24p as far as me and most people are concerned) 20x lens. Manual Focus, Zoom AND iris. I was going to buy the HVX. I have officially changed my mind as the P2 card thing was keeping me from jumping on it. Consider me in love:love4: :love4: :love4: yeah, yeah...I need to change my name to Cano-man
 
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Plus audio and timecode embedded into the HD-SDI stream. Which is very sweet.

Canon's purchase of the 24P license must've allowed them to finally embed the audio and TC into HD-SDI as 24p video solo didn't violate patents.

Looks like an XL-H1s is imminent.
 
Anyone knows if it has some sort of cine-gama/matrix/etc? I don't understand why didn't they go with true 24p. They bought the rights! I'm dying for JVC and Pana to join in and show some new HD(hdv) cameras.
 
I doubt you will ever see a standard-def DVX100 in 16:9.

You can get the HVX, which is a 16:9 DVX, or you might get some future AVC-HD based DVX replacement some time down the road, but if you're holding your breath waiting for a 16:9-chip DVX100, I don't think it's going to happen.
 
Any info on how these three cameras differ? And more importantly, how the A1 stacks up againts the Sony FX1? I know we dont have a camera yet, but I am talking about specs, i.e, "technical" differences.
 
Man, the more I read about these babies the more I want one. What would be the main difference between the XHA1 and the LXH1? Man, I'm excited. The XHA1 is right around my budget (4us grand it's about 3 thousand euros) and it seems to offer so much more than my Fx1...except the lcd and focus expand. I wish ALL companies would adopt this. It's extremely helpful.
 
Fugitive said:
Any info on how these three cameras differ?
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Three, as in? A1, G1, XLH1?

A1 & G1 are identical except that the G1 adds the "jack pack", for TC/Genlock/HDSDI, and a $3000 higher price.

G1 & XLH1? XLH1 has interchangeable lenses and a bigger form factor, G1 has wider lens/fixed lens. G1 has embedded audio & TC in the HD-SDI output, XLH1 doesn't. There are a few other things that are different, but internally they look to be the same basic camera.

And more importantly, how the A1 stacks up againts the Sony FX1?
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On paper the A1 beats the FX1 like a rented mule. Pimp-slaps it. Hands it its own butt, on a silver platter. Both are 1080i, and 30F is probably equivalent to CF30, but the A1 adds 24F two XLRs and much more telephoto and can be upgraded to PAL/NTSC compatible and can monitor both audio channels seperately and has much, much more image control and has a new "instant" autofocus system.

As for video quality, that remains to be seen obviously.
 
Hey Barry, I was cheking out the cameras' specifications and there's a lot similarities on these cameras to the HVX/DVX (gamma, matrix, knee, black strech, rgb, etc). I know it's a litte early to ask, but any chance you can eventualy make a A1/G1 book? ;-) I have the feeling I might need it pretty soon :D
 
I've thought about it. It depends on how well it sells. I was originally going to do an XL2 book but the XL2 didn't move off the shelves, so it would be more trouble than the potential rewards were worth.

It looks to me like the A1 might hit a nice acceptance spot, being cheaper than the HVX and far superior in features to the FX1. I'd like to get hands-on time and work with it, and I'd like to see how the market accepts it, and more importantly I'd like to see what develops with AVC-HD.

The A1 may breathe life in a format that seems destined to die. Or Sony may introduce an AVC-HD FX2 that renders the A1 an afterthought. It remains to be seen.

But I'm definitely interested in seeing how this one plays out!
 
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The A1 may breathe life in a format that seems destined to die. Or Sony may introduce an AVC-HD FX2 that renders the A1 an afterthought.
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You are right about the format. This even makes you wonder why didn't they choose AVCHD. What I'm thinking it happened is that Canon had this up their sleeves for some time but was waiting for the right moment, and were surprised by the AVC-HD. But now that AVC-HD showed up as the new hope, they thought it was better to release theses cameras right now while AVC-HD isn't the main thing. And this makes you think that in a long term run, the HVX is the only one in the bunch that is real HD. Hum...intriguing times we live in.
 
Well, who knows how AVCHD will do. Maybe HDV will turn out to be the better option in the end. I just want to know if there really is potential for AVCHD to be used for professional application or not.
 
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Anyone knows if it has some sort of cine-gama/matrix/etc?
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Yes, it appears to have inherited the XL-H1's cinegamma's, but interestingly enough it seems to have even more tweaks than the H1. Basically finer increments of image control I think. My hope is that the knee circuit is improved.

As an H1 owner I've become fond of Cinegamma2. With HDV you might find that you'll want to push saturation a little however. It helps to make up for the 4:2:0 sampling.

I don't understand why didn't they go with true 24p. They bought the rights! I'm dying for JVC and Pana to join in and show some new HD(hdv) cameras.
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They have the same 1440x1080 interlaced chips as the XL-H1, which has some benefits in sensitivity actually, but the 24F algorithim to most people's eyes is a reasonable approximation of 24p. It's basically what the FX1 should've done all along.
 
On paper the A1 beats the FX1 like a rented mule. Pimp-slaps it. Hands it its own butt, on a silver platter.
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Love this comment Barry.

One thing I am totally confused about by Canon. Canon is a Japanese company and they release their cameras here in Japan at a higher cost than they do in America.

I can order the canon XH A1 now for a list price of 575000 which translates to about 5000 USD.

I can buy an HVX here for 510000 yen which translates to about 4400 USD.

Erm choice is pretty simple this end.
 
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Well, who knows how AVCHD will do. Maybe HDV will turn out to be the better option in the end. I just want to know if there really is potential for AVCHD to be used for professional application or not.
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it depends on who you ask right now. Barry says it will replace HDV, someone like Douglas Spotted Eagle says AVCHD is only a consumer grade HD. HDV is better.

I would like to see AVCHD. I would like to see Panasonic put it on a DVX100 so we could get 16:9 without buying into the P2 thing. A DVX 100 with tape and a AVCHD slot. $3,500.

I've thought the whole market has been kind of dead the last few months. I'm glad to see Canon pump some life back into it. Let's see if anyone else will do something.
 
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it depends on who you ask right now. Barry says it will replace HDV, someone like Douglas Spotted Eagle says AVCHD is only a consumer grade HD. HDV is better.
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There's not one aspect of HDV that's better than AVC-HD, except the cameras that are currently using it. As soon as someone releases an AVC-HD version of a high-def DVX, I think that little argument will disappear.

Put it this way -- if you're going to render a movie for web distribution, do you use H.264? or DivX (an H.264-based codec)? Or XviD? (another H.264-based codec)?

Or do you still render MPEG-2?

MPEG-2 is over.
 
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