Forget about RED....Check this out!

The Vision Research cameras are highly specialized while the RED ONE camera is allegedly being designed for more universal studio and field acquisition.

Also, vision research is a manufacturer for cameras in the advanced imaging/machine vision industries not television and film...so the formats and system configurations will be very non-standard for our fields.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't dream of using specialized cameras, just do your homework before you buy or rent...

Check out Advanced Imaging Pro magazine for more insight into that other world of imaging technology:

http://www.advancedimagingpro.com/

 
dvpixl said:
I'll pay 17k if i had the money for the sheer fact that RED just has the better design. I haven't seen anything else yet but RED's got it going.
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Red may look cool, yet if this vision research cam is better or as good as red, and cheaper, well then frankly i dont care how it looks, it could look like a tin-can with a string out the back and i would be proud to have it on my shoulders (and anyways, red is just a concept, like a concept car, a whole lotta talk/not that im doubting anything, im totally for it if everything they say is true, i just think that it is good to be skeptical)
 
Brutan, while it's true Vision Research's cameras have been very specialized in the past, the camera they are showing at NAB is definitely specifically designed to cater to cinema. It's definitely worth taking a look at.
 
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guys... vision research is the company I worked with last year to do all the purposelabs.com stuff... trust me, the new Phantom is not gonna be 17k.
 
Jarred Land said:
guys... vision research is the company I worked with last year to do all the purposelabs.com stuff... trust me, the new Phantom is not gonna be 17k.
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Oh, 17.5k then? Shoot. I was *this* close to cutting a check, too. ;)
 
No I dont. He means its going to be darn expensive? Whats the point? There are already really expensive cameras that do just about anything out there by companies that have been at it for years. What we need is an indie camera that can do it all.
 
Should I spend 17k on Red to get 4k or 3 HVX for 16k or Vision for < 17.5k with unknown k res or Andromeda with DVX100b for 6k and get 2k res. I want the best k for my k...mmm'k?
 
Hey everyone, while I admit that we're all guilty of day dreaming about owning some of these super cameras that promise and do big things, we are indie filmmakers and while we're busy dreaming, others are out shooting on cameras some of would consider "crappier". Remember "28 days later" was shot years ago on a Canon Xl1s. Granted they had the post budget to make it look nice but still. "Breaking the waves" was shot on a lesser camera years before that. It's the story and the execution that matters. Remember great directing, editing, sound and great acting will save a "poorer" looking image any day.

Go out and shoot your stories and make them look as good as they can be with the equipment you already have. There are people making great looking films with the dvx100 (not a or b, but the original one).

Thumbs up to y'all!

PS: Having said all that if I could grab an HVX for a bargain price of under 4k, I would :)
 
Red is looking hot. I have to admit, though, that it has made Andromeda look even more attractive to me (as something to tie a DVX user over until Red is out and tested). I'll be watching Red and watching for more Andromeda reports (and Andromeda support for Windows).
 
@oldboy: Yeah, but in that case I would go for the FX1 since its in the same price range as the Canon XL. I would rather go for HD than not. The fx-1 seems to be the best image-for-money deal for indies yet.
 
oldboy said:
Remember "28 days later" was shot years ago on a Canon Xl1s. Granted they had the post budget to make it look nice but still. "Breaking the waves" was shot on a lesser camera years before that. It's the story and the execution that matters. Remember great directing, editing, sound and great acting will save a "poorer" looking image any day.
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Lars von Trier's Breaking The Waves was shot on super 35mm Kodak by Robby Muller. I agree with your sentiment though.
 
Well the Phantom is certainly a good competition to the red. The flash card hot swap sounds very much like panny. Based on specs it sounds just a bit behind red, but at those res specs I hardly believe would be much of a difference. However there were no mention of compression if any, is it 4.4.4. or 4.2.2 etc. It seems incomplete info to me. Price anyone?
 
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