Your Favorite Documentary?

Okay, I PROMISE this will be my last post on this thread about this. Those that are still paying attention are probably tired of my jaw-jacking.

Naturally, I am not saying that everyone will agree that a documentary represents an issue accurately. One of the grgeat things about a doc can be the controversy that comes from it. But, and I can't stress this enough, the infraction lies in the INTENT.

If I set out to make a doc on an issue, seek out the sources I beleieve to be valid and they support my argument and don't necessarily tell the whole story, that is one thing (although I have far more respect for a documentarian that approaches an issue with an open mind and seeks out legitimate opposing points of view than one who doesn't). You take the footage, edit it in effective way and move on. But it is a far different thing for someone to have an agenda, seek out information to support an argument, find conflicting information and choose only that which supports the pre-existing point of view, despite the source of the conflicting information. More than that, to take footage and interviews that in their original context ran counter to the agenda of the filmmaker and to intentionally manipulate them 180 degrees to fit.

I question everything, and I agree that viewers should be responsible. But I think there is a valid predisposition among the public to believe that a documentary is relatively objective. That carries a certain responsibility, and in this case the responsibility lies even more heavily with the filmmaker. He has intentionally made his work for the masses. These are not works designed for just the typical doc viewer, who may be a bit more sceptical and prone to do their own research. And don't think that he doesn't realize that. He has created an image to the public that he is someone who champions these causes and will bring to light things that they should know. At the same time, he manipulates the facts to bring forth only those that are in agreement with his agenda.

Honestly, I am very disappointed that so many people are willing to let this kind of thing slide. I think it is very sad that we as a viewing audience do not hold films like this to a higher standard.

Rant over. I apologize for threadjacking, but this matters to me.
 
So is an editorial not journalism? I, like you, prefer the classic Pennebaker, Kopple, etc. style of doc but that does not mean everything must fall into that category.

Didnt Dogtown & Zboys have a pre-determined position? I see your point but is your issue that it should not be called documentary? Anyone who watched F911 and thought it had a shred of objectivity is pretty crazy. You can argue all day what is fact, what has been manipulated, etc. but even MM himself said from minute one that he hated Bush and publicly said over and over he had an agenda to make him look bad and hoped it would help him be defeated. I think the fact that it didnt work...shows that people were not influenced one bit, they were just entertained. Mission accomplished I would say =o)




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"Street Fight" is incredible.

Its not what it sounds like; it covers the 2004 Newark, NJ, mayor race between Cory Booker and Sharpe James. All run-and-gun documentarians should see it.

also, "Jesus Camp" and "Iraq in Fragments"
 
Jesus Camp was one of the most frightening films Ive seen in a long time. Just got Iraq In Fragments from Netflix, and haven't given it a look yet-

Street Fight was fabulous, Corey Booker could be the future of the Democratic party in America if all goes well for him.....
 
"But it is a far different thing for someone to have an agenda, seek out information to support an argument, find conflicting information and choose only that which supports the pre-existing point of view, despite the source of the conflicting information."

What you are describing is the staple formula of most documentary and reportage in the mainstream media. Despite claims of balance and objectivity, the mainstream media inevitably supports the "pre-existing point of view" of their sponsors, board members and political officials. Commercial and political considerations impact documentary commissioning decisions, scheduling and in some cases even the specific vocabulary that may be used. It is no coincidence that the resurgence in theatrical documentary coincided with the repression of progressive documentaries by broadcasters.

The recent crop of political and ideologically driven feature documentaries are a necessary response to the constant promotion of violence, war, fast food and fast cars. Whether we call them 'documentary' or 'propoganda' is unimportant, these films are small stones to fling against Goliath and they are much needed.


[SIZE=-1]Benjamin Smoke by Jem Cohen and Peter Sillen is a beautiful and unflinchingly honest portrait/documentary.

The War Game by Peter Watkins... OK it's fiction but it's exciting to look at through documentary glasses.
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March of the Penguins
Spellbound - Seriously, how can they take a spelling bee and make a life filled with social isolation and words a nailbiter? Darn good movie.
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I can't think of any others unless you count the many hours of DVD bonus features I've watched since age 12. :love4:

Oh yeah, how could I forget "Jesus Camp"? Now, look, I'm a Christian, but this movie was creepy. Those people are destroying those kids. They put the weight of the world on their shoulders and tell them to destory the government. Oh, and I'm homeschooled, too, and I can tell you that at least this homeschool house isn't like that one. It's frustrating that they emphasized all Christians as being that way. Well, I better stop, since we can't get too political or religious. I laughed pretty hard in some parts, though. Crazy flick.

Oh, and did anyone else think the Alien chesburster was going to pop out of some of those kids? Man...
 
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Eyes on the Prize I & II (BlackSide Films)
Brief History or Time (Erroll Morris)
Fast, Cheap, & Out of Control (Erroll Morris)
Roger & Me (Michael Moore)
When We Were Kings
4 Little Girls (Spike Lee)
Frontline (PBS-WGBH)
Hoop Dreams
Buena Vista Social Club
Lost in La Mancha
The Civil War (Ken Burns)
Control Room
 
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Startup dot com... perfect example of the movie bizz.
Iraq in Fragments
Born in to Brothels
The Kid Stays in the Picture... dunno if that counts as a doc. its more of a bio piece.
 
The Fog of War
That apocolypse now doc mentioned earlier....and dare I say it, Bowling for Columbine (based on the accepted labeling of Documentary prescribed to us by the ones in charge of these things) :)
If it's a movie, then fine, one of my favorite "films".
The fog of war is really excellent as well.
I am going to rent Harlan County USA after reading your posts. sounds really excellent as well.
 
Vernon, FL
Harlan County USA
manufactured landscapes
manufacturing consent
iraq in fragments
my country my country
An Incident at Lochness (well.... technically a mockumentary, but it was great)


just an FYI, American Hardcore severely let me down.... I thought it was gonna rule :-(

docs rock!!
 
I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned "Gimme Shelter" in this thread.

A few other of my favorites would be:

Mr. Death
Marjoe (which I know someone else mentioned but it merits another shout)
Paradise Lost
 
baraka!!

baraka!!

The one that I love is pretty unconventional as compared to the documentaries named here and some might not consider it a documentary. THere is no narration or investigation in the usual sense of most documentaries but when i saw it, it was just as powerful or if not more powerful than many I had seen. It is "Baraka". it is a definate must see.
 
I've missed when it was playing on the theaters.
But last week, finaly, I've got on DVD and I'm stoked.

"Darwin's Nightmare" is incredibly beautiful, sad, thurtful and poetic.

Higly recommend!
 
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