Yes I'm afraid I have another adaptor.

I have also heard that the Beattie screen is very fragile and prone to scratches, however if you are carefull, one you get it in the sandwich it should be fine. You should still try to pair it up with a condenser from another F3 screen if the Beattie doesnt have one.
 
cheezweezl said:
Hey edweirdo, i have heard that the beattie screen scratches easily but it seems if i'm making your sandwich it would be scratchproof once it's in. is there any reason (besides price) not to get one of those?
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AVOID AVOID AVOID...

take it from me..I bought three of those little bastards. Yeah they look great and it gives you a good image...BUT THEY SCRATCH LIKE HELL. I was EXTREMELY careful with number screen 2 and 3 and yet, they found a way to scratch....One side of the screen is smooth..but the other has these micro ridges in them that even if you use a micro fiber cloth..you will find a way to scratch it.....

Not worth the pain
 
considering their price, if they are that easily scratched, its probably best to avoid. I havent heard anything good from these.

Ed
 
yeah...I mean the first beattie screen I scratched out of ignorance....the second one i was real real careful. I gave it a final cleansing with a micro fiber rag...it looked perfect to the naked eye...but when i looked at it via the viewfinder, I could see a whole lot of scratches. The third one...I looked like I worked in the intel lab where they produce microchips...I had the whole outfit...gloves...dust can...mask....AND freaking still it scratches when i was wipping off some dust particles from sanding the screen edges to make it fit into a 55mm filter ring.......
JUST move one and look for something else..CHEAPER
 
Super8 said:
Ok Gang...here is the report from the field...I just got a pair of Canon Ee-S screens. To the naked eye it seems matte as matte can be. I was extremely excited when I opened it...figuring B&H had just used the wrong photo to represent the product. I installed it...NOPE no circle...UNTIL i focused against a dark area and BAM..there it is...a freaking circle in the middle of the screen.....It's a no go my amigos!

:(
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Thanks for the report Super8. I'm assuming they'll both be the same, but you only ordered the Ee-S screen, right? Not the Ee-A? I'm sure they're the same, but I just wanted to confirm. Thanks.
 
So I tested mine out today (while waiting for my microwax) with the etched glass uv filter and it wasn't too bad....but a tad soft. Ok...no big deal I knew it wasn't going to be the best but I wanted to do something. So I get a package in the mail, open it up and it's a nikon screen that I won on ebay that I had forgotten about. It was a gamble, as the seller bought a new Type E screen for the Nikon he had bought used so he didn't know what type screen it was. I won it for $11.99. He packaged it up in the Type E case and even included the little tweezers that come with it. Well........you guessed it......it's a Type D! I quickly made a cardboard frame for it and stuck it in.......sweet! A few modifications to use the back lens cap from the canon lens to hold the screen and a slight adjustment of lens distance and this should work until I make my wax screen and remodel it back to the first design. I will give you the details of how mine is made when I shoot and post some footage.

This is a really fun journey and I almost hate to reach the destination.

Marlene
 
ovjamaica said:
Thanks for the report Super8. I'm assuming they'll both be the same, but you only ordered the Ee-S screen, right? Not the Ee-A? I'm sure they're the same, but I just wanted to confirm. Thanks.
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yep..it is a Ee-S. But Canon told me that the Ee-S and the Ee-A are exactly the same..only difference is what aperture it is best suited for........
 
Edweirdo said:
considering their price, if they are that easily scratched, its probably best to avoid. I havent heard anything good from these
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Oh.... come on.... there must be something good about them:
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/FIRST-PICTURES/IMGA0660TU
I agree they scratch easy (if you are not carefull) but I have been spinning them for 18 months now and I still enjoy the building process. Am I exhauseted when I finish one MPIC? You bet. I need a few good hours to recover... Did I scratch a few screens?:crybaby: Sure did, and... as you can see, I learned nothing from it.:love4:
 
Super8 said:
yep..it is a Ee-S. But Canon told me that the Ee-S and the Ee-A are exactly the same..only difference is what aperture it is best suited for........
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I was afraid of that. Well, thanks for trying and for letting all of us know. I will hopefully have the B III soon so that I can see how well that will work for us.
 
Well, congratulations to those who already set on the path of glory ;)

I'll be very busy for the next couple of weeks and than I just might get right in time to start building mine, since I have scheduled shooting for 26th of March, at Barcelona Marathon.

It would make huge diference counting on a 35mm adapter since I'd like to follow a friend running in a croud.

Let's see if I get lucky enough, and Marlene, I'm dying to see your footage!

Keep up everybody, what a thriller! Edweirdo, you'll be hold responsable for this pandemics :)

A big hug for everyone.
nenaD
 
dan said:
Oh.... come on.... there must be something good about them:
http://dandiaconu.com/gallery/FIRST-PICTURES/IMGA0660TU
I agree they scratch easy (if you are not carefull) but I have been spinning them for 18 months now and I still enjoy the building process. Am I exhauseted when I finish one MPIC? You bet. I need a few good hours to recover... Did I scratch a few screens?:crybaby: Sure did, and... as you can see, I learned nothing from it.:love4:
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Be assured, my comment on avoiding this screen is not based on its image quality, but its ruggedness for the beginning DIYer. Dan, you have been doing this for a while and based on the results from your adapter, you're no novice :)

Nikon, Canon, all these optics makers never imagined that we would want to glue their focusing screens inside PVC pipe and so some are easier to work with than others. My D screen, I dropped it on the floor twice and once had to wash it down after the infamous "try to blow off dust with your mouth and a spit drop comes out".

I have always liked your adapter and did not know you used the Beattie in it, so perhaps it is not fair to tell people to avoid it. This is one of the first times I have heard from a 35mm adapter seller who has spoke of the parts they used. Most want to keep everything secret. But with the D screen so hard to find, its an option. It gives good results but people should still be aware of how difficult this screen is to work with for the first timer.

I myself cannot wait for the Linhof to arrive.
 
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Edweirdo said:
My D screen, I dropped it on the floor twice and once had to wash it down after the infamous "try to blow off dust with your mouth and a spit drop comes out".
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I am the worlds worst clutz, it does my heart good to hear this. I remember once having a very important client order a 20"x24" reprint off a color negative I had shot. Working in the darkroom I put the neg in the carrier and did what any decent color printer would do......blew on it to get the dust off.......well.......you know the rest. It must have taken me 2 hours to retouch the print since the neg was trashed and beyond cleaning.

Nothing changes......ever! In the process of prying my brand X screen out of it's little case, which just didn't want to open, I managed to flip the screen into the air and onto the floor and then one of the dogs goes after it. Thinking......oh no big deal, it's not the going to be anything I want to use anyway, I shoo the dog away and pry it up off the floor. After close examination I discover that it's a Type D and then I become careful with it ......knowing........ that more abuse is sure to come.

The point is......don't even tempt me with anything that is prone to scratch easily.

Marlene
 
marlenedegrood said:
So I tested mine out today (while waiting for my microwax) with the etched glass uv filter and it wasn't too bad....but a tad soft. Ok...no big deal I knew it wasn't going to be the best but I wanted to do something. So I get a package in the mail, open it up and it's a nikon screen that I won on ebay that I had forgotten about. It was a gamble, as the seller bought a new Type E screen for the Nikon he had bought used so he didn't know what type screen it was. I won it for $11.99. He packaged it up in the Type E case and even included the little tweezers that come with it. Well........you guessed it......it's a Type D! I quickly made a cardboard frame for it and stuck it in.......sweet! A few modifications to use the back lens cap from the canon lens to hold the screen and a slight adjustment of lens distance and this should work until I make my wax screen and remodel it back to the first design. I will give you the details of how mine is made when I shoot and post some footage.

This is a really fun journey and I almost hate to reach the destination.

Marlene
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thats very cool, glad to hear you got the D. As I said to snodart, thats the hardest part in building this thing.
 
No sweat Ed. Actually I MUST make all readers aware of the risk. Is real and is there all the time. Steev SCRATCHED (one or two) making his static before deciding to buy the MPIC from me. Not a walk in the park for anyone to play with them (myself included), but here is a funny story. I was keen one morning on omelet. Got some eggs out of the fridge and laid them on the kitchen table. They rolled (almost dropped). Caught them in time, rearrange them, turned around to get more stuff from the fridge. Rolled again. Drove me nuts and I "learned them" a lesson.
Lost 30 minutes in the process, but when I realized is not every day I get to spend 30 minutes on stubborn eggs, so.. I took some pictures:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/photos/view/741898547/general/IMGA1512.jpg.html
I could have started my training on eggs instead of Beattie (why do I always go backwards?)
Sorry for the diversion. Back to business (or move it in the cafe)
 
maybe a solution

maybe a solution

I tried once the DG2X2-1500 - Ground Glass Diffuser, 2"X2", 1500 GRIT from

http://www.thorlabs.com/NewGroupPage9.cfm?Guide=123&Category_ID=185&ObjectGroup_ID=1132&Visual_ID=546

the result dim seem alright but then my adapter was crap so now reading this thread I'm going to give it another go and forget about pentaprism and mirrors to revert the image....

if anyone has the adapter and can spend few bucks in this ground glass it would interesteing to know if it works or not....

anthony
 
Edweirdo said:
Be assured, my comment on avoiding this screen is not based on its image quality, but its ruggedness for the beginning DIYer. Dan, you have been doing this for a while and based on the results from your adapter, you're no novice :)
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I still say AVOID...why? Well sure Dan has little to no problems with the screen...but we have to remember that the MPIC is spinning (or vibrating) the GG so of course any tiny little scratch dissapears...but if you are in static mode...any little scratch becomes a HUGE issue.

And by the way..if that G35 doesn't come out in a couple of days you bet your sweet behind I am putting an order for the MPIC..look totally pro...and I see that Dan has won a couple of technology awards? Now how can you go wrong with that.

:)
 
ahh THATS what ground glass is. I pictured a tube with little pieces of grass, being spunn wildly into the air at high speeds using batteries.

Damn that imagination can get to you sometimes.

Then what the hell are those batteries that some adapters come with for?
 
Those batteries usually power small motors inside the adapter that vibrate the ground glass. This reduces (or eliminates, depending on who you talk to) the grain that is the bane of all 35mm adapter builders!
 
I think that I bought the wrong 72mm adapter ring... take a look.

72mm_ring.jpg


Where can I get the correct one if this is wrong? Ug. I can't seem to find an A series adapter in 72mm.
Thanks

EDIT: oops, I figured it out. I didn't have the empty UV filter ring on it. Now that's more like it.

72mm_ring2.jpg


So now the set screws go through the wide part of the UV ring correct. Looks like the PVC will need a little sanding to fit inside the rings.
 
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