yah. so i swiched to vegas 6 from p.pro

I recently included some 60i hi8 footage in my otherwise all 24p (or Vegas generated media) wedding video demo. I did absolutely nothing to it, just dropped it into a 24p timeline and when finished editing rendered it out to 24p DVD. Looked like it should. Course, the point of that was to show a comparison between consumer video (letting your uncle or cousin tape your wedding) vs professional equipment/shooting, so the intent was for it to look crappy by comparison, but it looked as good as any regular hi8 60i footage wouldve looked under completely "normal" conditions. It's been a while until this project, but I used to mix framerates all the time with no issue, Vegas 6 knows what it is and what to do.
 
Seems like that would be the case, but I've never worked with a 60i timeline, and I've always rendered to 24pDVD, so I'm not sure. Perhaps David or Spot will straighten that out fors ya. So what exactly did it do that sucked?
 
I'm sure there's a better way, but mayhaps you could pull up a seperate instance of Vegas and render your 24p clip into a 29.whatever .avi and then put that on your timeline?
 
all i ever wanted was to have 24p footage and 60i footage on one timeline, so i could work with it any way i like and so they could live in harmony together. My quest brought me to vegas 6 since premiere pro 1.5 couldnt handle it. I played with vegas all day today(wow that sounds funny), and i was getting the hang of it(i read a bit of the help stuff). I manged to get some basics down, and i exported the test to the sony deck and took it and played it on the tv and the footage didnt look too good. It was blocky and blotchy etc. I installed premiere pro 1.0 becuase i heard that it supports both on the same timeline, i exported the same clip and watched it on the telly and it worked just as i wanted. So i've been capturing my footage for most of the night already in pro.
 
When you 'blocky and blotchy?' what does his mean?

Do you have 'Allow pulldown' checke din preferences?

What kind of timeline (Template) were you working in?

What did you Render the project out as?
 
yah u see guys that could be the issue, just me. I just opend up vegas and thre the footage in, i didnt read much about the pull downs or anything...i just got frustrated
i rendered it under "selectively render video" and whatever it showed me ...i just watned to dump it to tape. so maybe thats where i went wrong.
 
If you were working in a 60i timeline, then you were doing it right. Just open up a timeline, and throw the footage in. Then render it out. That would work.
 
Vegas easily handles whatever is thrown at it. Right now I'm editing a project with lots of 25P, bits of older footage shot in 60i, jpegs, PSDs, flash (for animated bottom thirds), and PNGs. Just throw them onto the timeline and edit into place.

Lots of compositing; three languages worth of overdubs, titles and subtitles; multiple audio tracks for automated noise removal, EQ, compression, gating, and ducking on audio; every shot colour corrected or tweaked; etc... etc...

When I finish early next week, I'll render versions for web streaming, PAL DV for broadcast on local TV, NTSC DV for the client's head office, DVD PAL and NTSC for handouts, and a MPEG-4 CDROM version -- all from one timeline and a few rendering presets.

I can't imagine doing a project like this in Premiere. In Vegas it's fast and easy. I didn't even think of how complex this project is until now -- I can focus on the work and not the technology.
 
Absolutely, Pmark32. I just finished a big DVD project with all that stuff going on in the timeline. It's the first time I've used Vegas for a big project and I'm absolutely convinced (having used Premiere up to 1.5) that without Vegas I would not have met the deadline - or at least it would not have been completed to the same level. I too was bewildered and disappointed with the Vegas interface at first, but when you commit to a big project, you get the workflow and you get that Vegas takes you where you want to go faster and easier. Now THAT'S Professional!

Michael
 
I had a similar experience. I was a devoted Premiere user until I learned about it's 24p bugs and what not. I wanted to switch to another editor.
I picked Vegas cuz everyone here seemed to love it. I started using it and I didn't like it at first. I was so slow (at editing) compared to what I
was able to do in Premiere. I used to edit fast in Premiere. The thing is I disliked the Vegas interface. I had the same problem with the cutting thing.
I loved the razor blade. I didnt like the blue loop region thing either. The way you crossfade between clips confused the **** out of me. I thought
it was stupid. But I did notice that Vegas handled my footage (24p, 60i, etc) a lot better than Premiere. What I mean is that I could mix footage in
the timeline and the export options SEEMED better. I liked how Vegas told you exactly what it was doing (removing 2-3-3-2 pulldown, etc)... So I stuck
with it.
My advice to you... STICK WITH IT. TRUST ME, once you learn how to do stuff, things make sense and become A LOT easier. The razor tool? Why switch
between tools when you can just hit S on the keyboard and it's split? Crossfading clips? Why drag it from the menu when u can just grab it directly
in the timeline and move it over. That makes things move faster.
The main problem with Vegas (being a former Premiere user) was that I was given TOO MUCH power and control in the timeline and I just didn't know
how to handle it. I was lost and confused. I didnt know what to do with the power. Crossfade just by dragging? Loop region? WTF!! How do I control
all of this stuff? I have too much power!!
As stupid as it sounds, that's how I felt. I was given a tool that gave me too much control and I didn't know how to use it. Now that I know enough to
be able to control it, I freakin' LOVE IT. Plus, the presets they give you on all fx and stuff (ex. color correction) opened my mind up and sparked
some creative juices. The best looking footage I've ever produced has come from Vegas because the presets pointed me in a direction and I went with it,
coming up with my own stuff. Premiere never did that for me.
Now, I'm not saying I hate Premiere. I still like it and it's a great editor. What I'm saying is that I like Premiere but I like Vegas better.
My next film wouldn't have the look it has if it wasn't for Vegas.
It's all a matter of preference, but look at it this way. If you learn Vegas and learn how to control it, and still don't like it... well at least you
know how to use another editing application. And at least you'll know what else is out there and what is offered by others, cuz I'm sure you'll find
Vegas's ease of use (especially with 24p footage) a lot better than any other editing program right now.
So in the end, yes, use Vegas for a full project as others have suggested, but LEARN it. Learn the shortcuts (keyboard shortcuts, etc), learn how to
use it, learn the functionality cuz it's just amazing how intuitive and easy it is to use.
-Paul Del Vecchio
 
Thanx Paul, i will definatley try to learn it. All the points you made are very valid and thats exactly how i felt when i tried to do anything in VEgas.
thanks
Saturnin
 
Saturnin,
Was it blocky and blotchy on the render, or blocky and blotchy on the preview screen?
i'm starting to wonder if it's a preview screen issue, or a preview settings issue?
 
Next thing I'd wonder about is the render quality you chose, if it was blocky. Even if it's 24p from 60i or vice versa, it wouldn't be blocky, just choppy.
 
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