XDCAM EX vs. HDV

Barry_Green said:
Wow.

You do know that Sony is charging $745 for a 16GB SxS card, right? At the B&H discounted price?

And SanDisk charges $823.53 for their 16GB SxS card, right?

And, you know Red is charging $495 for a 16GB CompactFlash card, right? And that's not P2, that's compact flash. No processor, no raid controller, no firmware, no computer inside, just a compactflash card.

So, really? $200 for a 16GB P2 card? Seems a tad unrealistic.
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Barry, I have great respect for your technical knowledge and the effort you take in placing your technical opinion on this site, but really Barry, why don't we start something to get pricing down. Pricing for equipment should not be related to what people are willing to pay for it. It should be related to what is in the box and how much it costs to produce it. A fair percentage of say 30% or even 50% is more than enough IMO. Of course there is this psychological effect that some people just want to have something that others cannot buy because it is too expensive, but really guys wake up. Don't let the companies rule your economical life. We are the customers - the kings - and not the companies.
P2 and SxS is a rip-off, period.
 
Kenny_G said:
Barry, I have great respect for your technical knowledge and the effort you take in placing your technical opinion on this site, but really Barry, why don't we start something to get pricing down. Pricing for equipment should not be related to what people are willing to pay for it. It should be related to what is in the box and how much it costs to produce it. A fair percentage of say 30% or even 50% is more than enough IMO. Of course there is this psychological effect that some people just want to have something that others cannot buy because it is too expensive, but really guys wake up. Don't let the companies rule your economical life. We are the customers - the kings - and not the companies.
P2 and SxS is a rip-off, period.
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Do the R&D, build the product, test it, make it bomb proof, then package and sell it to a market much much smaller then that for consumer compact flash or SD cards.

Tell me how much lower then the current prices from Panasonic and Sony you can get.
 
Im going to go on the record and say i dont trust my SxS cards let alone my MxR cards running SanDisk ultra2s anywhere as much as i trusted my P2 Cards.

I seem to recently be getting a lot of restore media errors with the SxS in my EX1 just randomly, about 70% of the time its when the camera has come back from a rental and the idiot operator doesnt really know what they are doing and just rip the battery off the camera and put it away, not idea what the card was doing at the time. But then it sometimes randomly does it to me as well. The media is usually there, but still, it should not be doing this with the official sony cards.

I now only use my MxRs as a back up on all jobs. They might be cheap but i dont trust them enough for the professional work i do.

The cards work, but they are not as bullet proof as p2.

Come on panasonic, give me a decent full raster camera head in a hand held camera.

Right now im glad i still have my original HVX and almost 64gigs worth of p2 cards. Its actually getting a bit of use at the moment.
 
The "Restore Media" has nothing to do with the SxS or SD media, it is to do with the XDCAM EX usage of the media. If a recording is interupted by ripping the power from the camera, the file system leaves an open file on the FAT32 partition. The camera recognises this and asks to restore the media, whereby it verifies the open file and truncates it at the last valid finish to a GOP. It then updates the meta data as well I assume and closes the file.
Otherwise you could end up with a corrupted file, not the fault of the camera or the media, but the user. The system is there to protect Mr Idiot who goes yanking power from the camera while recording.

If your getting Restore Media errors in normal operations then there is either something wrong with your particular piece of media or camera.

I have been shooting with SxS and KxS for over a year now and never had to restore media unless something had gone wrong (like failed power).

What happens in a P2 based system if you eject the P2 media while it is being recorded too?
 
William_Robinette said:
Do the R&D, build the product, test it, make it bomb proof, then package and sell it to a market much much smaller then that for consumer compact flash or SD cards.

Tell me how much lower then the current prices from Panasonic and Sony you can get.
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The P2 and the SxS was made to rip you off.
Sony and Pana could easely have build-in a removable 2.5" harddrive.
But that would not given given them any extra profit.
The story that it is not reliable and draw too much current is BS IMO.
Where do you have to store your back-ups? On a harddrive of course.
You can get a solidstate harddive of 120GB for less than 500 bucks, so what are we talking about. P2 and SxS is a rip-off; they only serve the seller(Pana and Sony)

It doesn't matter how much R&D and other stuff you did on a product.
It only adds up to the costprice. But for example if you make a car that is the best car ever made and everybody likes it and wants to buy it. There is only a "minor" problem with this car; it run on fuel that you only can supply and of course the price for the fuel is high. That's the P2 and the SxS.
 
I was pleasantly surprised at how good the HDV footage looked when I shot some using our Sony EX3 (1080 60i SQ format.....same as HDV)
 
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