X-Men 3

I kinda thought they might do a Maddie Pryor story, but nope -- I guess they weren't interested in Cyke at all.
 
There so many x-men characters with great stories. I hope in the next one they fast forward to the future and we see people like Bishop
 
spz...

i understand completely what you are saying, but the point you're missing is this and i want everyone else to consider it.

in the comic books whenever somebody dies...the reaction is OMG they killed so and so, or geez magneto sucked out wolverine's admantium...but make it a movie and something happens to the main character and the response is "ratner's lost his mind" "the writer's don't know what they're doing" "the plot's full of holes" on and on.

you ask why she stopped before killing wolverine and why she didn't stop before killing cyclops. they didn't show it. you're calling "x" a fascist...he was trying to keep jean's dark side from taking over...or where you not paying attention to that whole "cheesy" dialogue? your argument is nearly exactly what wolverine was telling him and xavier's response was basically "you just don't know"...they clearly stated that jean's power/dark side she didn't have control over. so you're saying xavier who knew this, should've just let the "beast" take over and then the world gets destroyed.

why didn't she kill wolverine...she was trying to, but his healing ability which i didn't know moved that fast kept him together. :)

now with all this nitpicking - how about this...hugh jackman's what about 6'0...isn't wolverine 5'3...says so in the bio and in the books you can see he's shorter than everybody else...oh up until the hugh jackman era, now wolverine is a tad taller. :)

but i'm not complaining...psylocke's one of my favorites and i'm not complaining about her screen time or death. it's a movie and they're comic books. they can write whatever they want to it's their creation. who knows how many more movies there will be...we may yet see scott, jean, and xavier in the near future. they may be played by different actors. it's their choice if they want to sign on to another film.

how and why they died...i'm just going to cover jean killing xavier. she was mad that he was trying to control her.

as for the reviews it's getting, because these are non comic book x-men fans...who more than likely only know as much as they know from the movies themselves. do you get that? so they have no other expectations.
 
in the comic books whenever somebody dies...the reaction is OMG they killed so and so, or geez magneto sucked out wolverine's admantium...but make it a movie and something happens to the main character and the response is "ratner's lost his mind" "the writer's don't know what they're doing" "the plot's full of holes" on and on.
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I disagree because since comics book aren't generally based on other books or movies they get more leeway when it comes to story twist.

Also the only reason Jean had a dark side for prof. X to keep in is because he created that dark side. When he met jean in the movie she was just jean and there was no phoenix but because he "tinkered" with her mind he had to create another personality to put all that aggresion. Prof. X did that to her out of fear of what might happen more than likely because he could read her thoughts and knew what things she was thinking up.

There is no way that wolverines healing factors works that fast. His factor was creating the skin almost instantly. What I want to know is how did wolverine even survive if she was a class 5 mutant ? If she had all that power she could have destroyed wolverine easy
 
My main argument was that in comparison to the other movies, X-3 was a letdown.

Singer spends two movies developing these relationships and such, and then Ratner kills off three of the main characters in ways that do not suit the spirit and direction of the other two movies in the trilogy.

When you have a movie in a trilogy, it is only fair to compare that movie with the rest in the trilogy.

The bottom line is that X-3 just doesn't "fit" with the direction of the other two in the trilogy. It doesn't take a fan of the comics to understand that one.
 
Also the only reason Jean had a dark side for prof. X to keep in is because he created that dark side. When he met jean in the movie she was just jean and there was no phoenix but because he "tinkered" with her mind he had to create another personality to put all that aggresion. Prof. X did that to her out of fear of what might happen more than likely because he could read her thoughts and knew what things she was thinking up.
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that's not how they explained it in the movie. he wasn't tinkering he said the darker side known as phoenix was trying to take control so he put blocks to hold it back.

There is no way that wolverines healing factors works that fast. His factor was creating the skin almost instantly. What I want to know is how did wolverine even survive if she was a class 5 mutant ? If she had all that power she could have destroyed wolverine easy
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the real question is why even throw the bridge...she could've killed the kid just by thinking about it.

silverwolf...

as for the leeway comment...a lot of stuff in glory road did not happen and that was based on a true story and a book. i don't see people hating on bruckheimer well they did get a complaint from one of the colleges who said that the racial attack in the movie never happened...but this is about the x-men, pure fiction, pure fantasy...the producers, writers, director can do what they want. the producers bought the rights to the material. sure they want to honor the x-men fan base, but at the same time they are trying to attract people who don't read the comics.

The bottom line is that X-3 just doesn't "fit" with the direction of the other two in the trilogy.
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what direction are you talking about? the hint through both of them was a "war" was coming. rogue's been wishing she could "touch" somebody withut killing them. wolverine in this film finally made it aware that he was part of a team. now that halle barry has an oscar under her belt, storm got more screen time :)
 
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novelt said:
that's not how they explained it in the movie. he wasn't tinkering he said the darker side known as phoenix was trying to take control so he put blocks to hold it back.
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Sorry that's not true what prof x. said is
" Jeans powers lay in the Subconscious portion of her mind and that's where the danger lies" He created a series of blocks to isolate her powers from her conscious mind and "as a results" she developed dual personalities. From their sessions that personality called her self the phoenix

Based upon this information we can clearly see that she didn't have the phoenix personality before prof. x's sessions.
 
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what direction are you talking about? the hint through both of them was a "war" was coming. rogue's been wishing she could "touch" somebody withut killing them. wolverine in this film finally made it aware that he was part of a team. now that halle barry has an oscar under her belt, storm got more screen time :)
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What direction are YOU talking about?

1. WHAT WAR??? There WAS no war! You have Magneto, on a bridge, with random mutants, attacking Alcatraz... Hardly a war.

2. Rogue. Sure, she wants to have sex with Bobby, but going throughout the entire movie being jealous of Shadowcat, disappearing, and then reappearing with no powers and Bobby left thinking "WTF" has NO resolution and really doesn't accomplish anything. All we are left thinking is exactly what Bobby is thinking: WTF!?

3. Wolverine part of the team? Of COURSE he is part of the team when HALF THE TEAM IS DEAD!?!

4. Halle Barry has weird hair now... (Just had to throw that in there...)

How is this ANYTHING like the direction the first two films were??
 
Magneto gets his own too... plus talks of a young X-Men movie which would be perfect to bring in Gambit :) and hopefully in X4 they bring in Emma Frost, but to do that Cyclops would need to be there...
 
he placed the blocks to hold back the phoenix...he didn't create it. if he did he would've said so...words to the effect that it was his fault.

war? let's see in the first movie magneto said it...wolverine said it. how do you know what bobby is thinking? fact of the matter is if magneto is getting his power back then that must mean rogue's might be short lived also. and the wolverine with the team half-dead - won't even bother.

out of all that you still didn't answer the question...

wolverine also has had his own comic book series for awhile now...he didn't need that either i guess.
 
Prof. X did say that he was the cause of the phoenix hence the "as a result she developed dual personalities". It's clear in his words.

The phoenix came from the dual personalities and the dual personalities came from the mental blocks which Prof. X created
He didn't say that he created the blocks to hold back the phoenix he created the blocks to isolate her powers from the conscious part of her mind.
 
I am not a comic book reader. Just a movie fan...I liked this film more than X2, and about equal with X1. It had a vigor and scale to the action sequences that the previous two movies lacked. I appreciated its all business, non-fat storytelling, and the actors seemed to be more emotionally invested in the characters. Is it perfect? No. But I enjoyed it. I think it tries to do too much and they introduce so many characters that some of them end up getting short shrift, which drives the hard core fans insane. They want to see a two hour movie on just the Juggernaut alone, so the fact that he only has like five minutes of screen time is frustrating. Me, I could care less if the Dark Phoenix story is less developed than in the comics. You can only do so much in one movie. Maybe X-Men would be better suited to TV. There you can juggle dozens of characters over the course of a season and give them all full arcs...Actually my biggest complaint with the movie is purely technical. Some of the scenes looked like ass. I don't know if it was just a poor print or what, but some scenes were terribly grainy, just ugly, and I swear in one smoky, fog shrouded scene I saw digital macro-blocking.
 
batutta...exactly. as for print quality you might've got robbed mine was good. didn't see anything grainy at all. it will be nice down the line when everything is digital and each theater has the same quality :thumbsup:
 
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wolverine also has had his own comic book series for awhile now...he didn't need that either i guess.
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In the books, the storyline is balanced and revolves around the X-men as a group. That's why Wolverine has a comic of his own, to have stories centered around his character. Now X3 was 80 percent Wolverine and Storm airtime, while the others where just background entertainment. So that's why some of us feel there's no need for a Wolverine movie- this was more of a Wolverine movie than anything else.

Novelt, you should'n't need to switch of your brain for good entertainment. Look at Terminator 2- that's good sci-fi entertainment. Spider-man- ditto. X2- ditto. X3? Mediocre mindless PRETENCIOUS stuff.

And, once again, Novelt, the problem here is not characters dying, but the emotional connection and impact of those deaths. In the books (and in any good story), when a death of a major character occurs, it seriously impacts the world around them. Xavier died, and the next morning, after a 5 minutes meeting, its business as usual? No mourning, nada? How about Scott, the former leader of the X-men and all round nice guy? Dead, and no one cares?

This is bad storytelling. The bellow academic error of the day to night transition I don't eve mention, because I couldn't believe my eyes a 150 million dollar movie could have such a mistake, but its the development of characters and the complete lack of dimension on them, and also the complete destruction of their consistency built trough the first two movies that make this a very disappointing sequel.



Silverwolf, the same tought really came trough my mind. Patrick looking at Wolverine was a "tribute"to Star Wars Obi Wan death.
 
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So that's why some of us feel there's no need for a Wolverine movie- this was more of a Wolverine movie than anything else.
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Yes -- that was exactly my point. This pretty much WAS the Wolverine movie.
 
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war? let's see in the first movie magneto said it...wolverine said it. how do you know what bobby is thinking? fact of the matter is if magneto is getting his power back then that must mean rogue's might be short lived also. and the wolverine with the team half-dead - won't even bother.
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You completely misunderstood what I was saying. Your argument was that X-1 and X-2 were building up towards a war. I've got no beef with that. But if you are calling a raid for a random kid at Alcatraz a war, I would beg to differ.

OF COURSE we know what Bobby is thinking (at least what he tells us). Characters are supposed to reveal what they are thinking and feeling through their actions and words (unless they are being deceptive). Bobby says "This isn't what I wanted" with a surprised look on his face. That means he was probably thinking WTF with some of the rest of us (which is what I stated earlier). The fact that she is barely in the movie and now she has lost her powers did nothing much of anything. There was no real resolution to the conflict. All the audience sees is conflict. Sure, unresolved conflicts makes one expect a sequel, but I personally (in my opinion) thought that this was so weak.

And the Wolverine thing? If you (novelt) "won't even bother", why bring it up? I am willing to openly debate your points. If you aren't willing to debate back and you try to put down other ideas without backing them up, then I don't understand why you keep fueling the discussion.
 
Novelt, you should'n't need to switch of your brain for good entertainment.
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I haven't and that was bit personal of an attack. i haven't questioned your mental strength.

In the books (and in any good story), when a death of a major character occurs, it seriously impacts the world around them. Xavier died, and the next morning, after a 5 minutes meeting, its business as usual? No mourning, nada? How about Scott, the former leader of the X-men and all round nice guy? Dead, and no one cares?
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that's the exact thing i said about "lost" the island shakes, the sky goes white, and an ear piercing sound nearly knocks everyone to their knees. plus debirs is falling out of the sky, but right after that...business as usual...must be a hollywood thing.

i already said why storm got more screen time and it was fact even before the movie was written. halle barry won an oscar and wanted more screen time. even singer said she deserved more time this is before he left to do superman. outside of that sure he x-men are a team, but this is a motion picture. there's no guarantee that there will be a next one and after the first who got more accolades and notariety? hugh jackman for being wolverine and as i stated above so popular in fact that the comic book character's height changed, even his appearance to a certain degree. wolverine is the most popular x-man...period.

Your argument was that X-1 and X-2 were building up towards a war.
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didn't say that...i just said that both movies mentioned a war was coming. both movies dealt with rogue and her trying to cope with her power. both dealt with wolverine and i never implied that alcatraz was that war...you said it changed direction and iasked what direction is that and pointed to those storylines.

"This isn't what I wanted" with a surprised look on his face.
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wasn't really surprise, but his emotion was and reaction...you didn't have to do this for me. i didn't ask you to give up your powers. stuff along those lines.

And the Wolverine thing? If you (novelt) "won't even bother", why bring it up? I am willing to openly debate your points. If you aren't willing to debate back and you try to put down other ideas without backing them up, then I don't understand why you keep fueling the discussion.
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your statement "OF COURSE he's part of the team. the team's half dead."

so if they were alive, he'd leave? and by the way consider this he really didn't commit to anything. he told jean that he would die for her.
 
man i on purpose post something and no one said anything...oh well. here's something to think about the original x-men were beast, angel, cyclops, jean grey(marvel girl) and iceman. though angel may be the same age as scott and jean (albeit hinted through flashback) he doesn't know them. beast may know them and iceman just joined the team. no mention that mystique is nightcrawler's mom.

okay if you didn't like the movie, did you at least appreciate stan lee's cameo?
 
Woah, woah woah people. X2 was the Wolverine show.

PS: Rebbeca Romijn naked = :Drogar-Love(DBG):
 
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