"Without Provocation" - a Norm Sanders (Envision) film

Hey dude... if you'll go back a few pages, you'll see my HONEST review of Norm's film. Norm is a friend of mine, but at the same time, if friends are real friends, they'll be honest with each other. There's a way to criticize though...
 
Hi Brandon, I wasn't saying that your review wasn't honest.

Just pointing out, as you said, this is an art. Some people will hate it, some will love it. There just seems to be a lot of love in every thread. Again, as I pointed out... nothing really wrong with that.

There is a right and wrong way to to criticize, as I stated.

It's Mike, BTW.

Cheers,
 
Well, I said I'd give her another go through and pick out the spots where the dialogue was confusing. I think the bond issue might have been missed by some because the first three times the word is said, it gets muffled or is difficult to understand. The first time is when Carter says it and a thunder crack (or something that sounds like it) happens at the same time. The next two times are when Linden says it. She has a lovely accent, but she doesn't quite get the "d" out at the end. The second time she says it, it almost sounds like "bombs". Yikes!

The next moment where I couldn't make everything out was when they were moving the wife downstairs. There we have the music cues, the wife's muffled yells, and multiple voices. I admit, upon second listening, I heard everything. It's just everything was so new the first time through and I was trying to process a lot, so I think my brain just couldn't follow. Plus, in any situation, I'm just the kind of person who can understand what is being said better if I can see the mouth of the person talking. That's just a me thing. I wouldn't change anything about the stair scene based on my comments.

Again, great film.
 
Okay I'm facinated by the final post look!!! I've been trying to get a look like that for about a year. I'm throughly impressed.

The script is wonderful. The acting is great.

Good Job
 
Dahopafilms said:
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I can't say that in relation to your post, Jack - laterally attacking a fellow member expressing her views. And I find that rather sad.

Perhaps we are all destined to become what we most fear and dislike.

And now I'm going back to work.
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First let me say to you sir, I have a mountain ... make that two mountains of respect for you sir.

2nd. Anyone is free to tell anyone else on this site that their film is not up to snuff all the live long day.

I AM NOT attacking someone for expressing their opinion. I am attacking them for HOW they express their opinion. Without tact or respect.

Not even any respect for the people who run the contest who are apparantly WRONG in the criterion they set for their own flippin' contest.

Her comments are unecessaeily blunt and rude about other people's films. My comments which were definately personal are about how the person herself is conducting herself. That is VASTLY different from being personal about one's film.

BOY WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP FILM! unecesseraly spiteful and personal (not that she's ever said that)

YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A PIECE OF CRAP ... personal ... well because know we are talking about the person. VERY different. One is direct and honest, and maybe unpleasent. The other is unpleasant and unsolicited.

You do have a point however (two mountains rememember) and I have sense edited my post to reflect the same sentiment, but perhapsa a little less personally.
I will also tell you that in the last 3 hours I already have 6 PM's thanking me for my post.
Finally, and I hope you will have a chuckle at this your self, you have now personally attacked someone, for personally attacking someone, for personally attacking someone :)

Dahopa said:
Perhaps we are all destined to become what we most fear and dislike.
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Although I don't think that is exactly what was going on with Charli's post - personal attacking, it is just unnecessarily rude and blunt.

I felt the need to defend Norm, the Mods who run the contest that are apparently too stupid to know what their own contest criteria are, all the filmmakers whom Charli has told don't meet her imaginary singular criterion of what a SpyFest movie should be, the Director of Black Angel, and so on ...

You felt the need to defend Charli.

I did it with a bit more English perhaps. Maybe too much and I am sorry for that and as I said I have edited my post.

You have also come to my rescue in the past.

Sorry if I have disappointed you as I said I have nothing but respect for you.

That's all I will say about it here to give Norm back his thread.

Maybe I didn't handle it well, but I'd had enough. Sorry.
 
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Norm,

The needle scene is phenominal.

I've been thinking about it this morning and just had to go watch it again.

It's like, reinventing the flashback. It feels like I've seen it before, but I can't put a finger on it. Awesome.

I might not even want to watch the unfiltered version, I don't want it to ruin what I already have seen. The effect definitely works. I can't imagine it without the filter.

Alright enough rambling.

zach
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A note about that scene- we were in a small small bathroom, I guess you would call it a half bath, and I was on an apple box, with the sound guy behind me, definitely cramped quarters. Norm really did a good job with the editing on that scene. He relayed to me basically what he wanted to do in post, and I tried my best to pick up the shots that he wanted. Bravo Norm!
 
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This is a great frame - and I don't see how anyone could say that the effect doesn't enhance this.

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Norm actually put a needle in his arm. Look at it. (I'm kidding, but look at the bump).

P.S. sorry for taking frames from your movie for the benefit of my post, lol.
 
Did you guys not see, "Where Silence Falls?" Why am I asking you that? Because I, for one, after having seen, "Where..." after having commented to Norm on his work, on Becca's acting, EXPECT more from Norm than this story. You are only as good as your last film? Norm's last film was better than this, better acting, better content, better everything in my opinion. I am betting Berlin was probably a much tighter, better crafted story than this, I am betting.

Jack - really, relax.

500 - Norm and I do not have a history, I apparently expect him to be more brilliant than you do when it comes to writing and acting, imo.

Norm - what you did you do that I didn't do? You got a story out. I have a thread with a story unfinished. I think that speaks for itself, don't you?
 
Geoff_R said:
The music rocked! Herman did an awesome job on the score!
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Thanks Geoff :beer:


Chris Messineo said:
I loved the story, the acting, the pacing, the energy of it, and I especially liked Herman's score.
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Thanks Chris! Looking forward to any possible future collaborations.
 
Sorry this is happening on your thread, Norm.

Sorry this is happening on your thread, Norm.

Charli said:
500 - Norm and I do not have a history, I apparently expect him to be more brilliant than you do when it comes to writing and acting, imo.
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Expectation and encouragement needn't be separate concepts. I've seen Norm's previous work and yet I don't feel the need to tell him his recent work has no substance.

The history I refer to goes back to a post in your thread where Norm made an attempt to encourage and assist you on your script, and instead of saying "Thanks" or politely declining, you felt the need to point out your credentials (400 out of 4000?) and suggest to him in no uncertain terms that he didn't know what he was talking about. If you expect him to be more brilliant, then you might listen to him occasionally.

I'm sure you feel like you're under attack to some degree which is why you often come across defensive, but if you embraced the group instead of giving the impression that we should be priviledged to be acquainted with you, people might take you more seriously. Things like offering a one time screenplay "event" offered by "the screenwriter" can rub people the wrong way. You're the screenwriter, right? Why not say, "Hey, check out my script. I'm only putting it up for a day so I can count the hits. But you can also read it on my site." et cetera. Much less pretentious. You know?

Jack has valid points even if he was on edge when he wrote them. If you really wanted to make amends, you'd say, "Sorry I come across that way" and not just dismiss him. But you didn't. Now people will take everything you say with a mouthful of salt.

Just thinking out loud, I guess. You seem very interested in becoming a writer. If you want to do it for a job someday, my advice to you is that a little modesty goes a long way.

Co.
 
500 - my one time event in reading my script hosted almost 300 hits. It's a MARKETING ploy to get you there and to those who it rubs the wrong way, need not look, but I betcha you they did out of curiousity. How you want to encourage/expect from others is up to your personality, I on the otherhand, have always given it straight.

When I can generate 300 hits in one day, I think that speaks for itself that the community embraces me. As far asmodesty is concerned, I'm one of very few women on these boards and will be one of very few women in Hollywood, I don't have time to be meek or to hide in fear of offending. This is a fierce industry and I don't think there is one here who believes I'll be eaten by the sharks. If you wish to continue this exchange, do so please privately as Norm's thread has been derailed enough.

Norm, all I have ever said is that I think you can do better, how I go about saying that is in my own way, rather though that I believe you can do better than to feel this is as good as it gets with you. Sorry for the tangent on your thread.
 
I'm one of very few women on these boards and will be one of very few women in Hollywood, I don't have time to be meek or to hide in fear of offending. This is a fierce industry and I don't think there is one here who believes I'll be eaten by the sharks.
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Offending everyone in your path won't get you there any faster.
 
Charli said:
This is a fierce industry .
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No, this is DVXUser. This is a community. This is not an industry, and it's certainly not fierce.

All would be well advised to treat each other here with consideration. In fact, it's not really an advisement, it's a requirement. Anyone who can't fit in will sooner or later find themselves being shown to the exit.
 
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