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stefanocps

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hello i am lookng for recording when shooting video with my fuji xt3

I have now a rodevideomic, which is fine for many situatuon, I like the sound of videomic though, i wish i could use it fine all the time, butmost of the time i work as a one man band and either i put it on my camera or it gets difficult.

also i have a tascam dr40 and a dr05.

I thought i could buy 2 lavallier and record in to these recorders..but it is not always easy do this setup

Then i think to wireless system

Expecially wireless rodego 2 and hollyland lark 150

The dij seems good but is more pricey and i don't know if it is worthy

I would like the hollyland but the lack of security recording builtin, stop me

In case of trouble with signal these feature is a must..don't undertsand why a device can be without this..is there a workaround for that?

What is your opinion about these scenary?

thanks
 
What kind of interviews are you shooting? Are they really short interviews?

Those 2.4 Ghz kits are short range, line-of-sight mics designed for YouTubers, and I don't think they're up for the requirements of general video production.

I would recommend the Sennheiser AVX, as the TX & RX take swappable Li-ion battery packs, and 1.9 Ghz ensures a less crowded frequency range and greater operating distance.

If you wanted to go the external audio recorder route, you could look at a Tentacle Track E or Tascam DR-10L.
 
sennheiser are too much expensive
i have considered the option like tascam dr10l, or similar, even the zoomf2 32 bit to use with lav. For me those are the best solution,. as i never feel so confortable with wireless system. That's why i was thinkin to use my tascam dr05 and dr40 with lav...it s the same type of system..though the device are bigger of course. This system tough have the problem of monitoring..
generally i don't shoot long interview..15, 30 minutes maximum. And till now i never had the need to befar away, but generally i am in front of almost of the talent.
so this also make me doubtfull about wireless..but a wireless system is undoubtable convenient a part for the risk of loosing signal
 
How's the noise floor with the Saramonic?

The AVX latency is only a problem if you're mixing it with a wired mic, & most NLEs support sub-frame audio offset, so it's not an insurmountable issue.

I wish Sennheiser made a higher capacity battery for the receiver, but they probably want to keep it light so that there's not much leverage on the XLR connector.
 
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Recording transmitters are expensive and few and far between in the USA. Partly due to Zaxcoms's copyright. Some manufactures have gotten around it or have paid licensing fees. There are work-arounds with custom cables to feed both a Tx and a recorder from a single lav mic, but I am not aware of an off-the-shelf cable.
 
We bang on endlessly about subtle differences in cameras, lenses and all things vision, and yet we forget the real basics of sound capture.

The worlds most sophisticated wireless system is almost as good as a $10 cable. Radio is inherently the sort of thing that goes wrong - and often they go wrong and you know, and can do nothing about it. Those Rodes with the inbuilt recorder don't actually work too bad, but they're big and ugly and external mics more expense. Radio systems can work perfectly until they don't. Things like Sennheiser and Shures are the current version of maybe 20+ previous ones, each getting better and better. If you are recording an interview where people are static - cable them. Loads of Tv Studios use cabled lavs because they work, and rarely die. No batteries to fail, no interference, no bother. With wireless you can set up, test and have a stable system. Then next door somebody turns their on an kill yours. 2.4GHz - a free, non-licenced unregulated band is shared with so many RF devices, you can again have stable systems till audiences arrive, each with a phone trrying to find wireless neyworks.

If I was buying new, I'd still buy Sennheiser. Just history - but theyre available on ebay second hand all th time. I hear good things about the Rode, but they are marketed at serious consumers and semi-pros on a budget.Lavs with a 5m cable and phantom power are the most reliable. Sennheiser wireless on a protected, licenced band next for me. I'm probably not going to buy the Rodes if the Sennheisers need replacing. At the moment I am on a job where for cost reasons the $600 DPAs have been replaced with $200 senheisers - their budget end and I hate them. Both are omnis of course but the Sennheisers change tone as distance to mouth changes, and they are getting gunked up with sweat and makeup. They don't come apart, and the grill is glued in. Picking holes with a pin is a pain. The pile of worse sounding ones is growing. A bad choice. I've got them working on Shure Axient digital systems and these have been pretty good reliability wise to be fair - but theyre in a band all on their own.
 
stefanocps said:
hello i am lookng for recording when shooting video with my fuji xt3
of the time i work as a one man band and either i put it on my camera or it gets difficult. also i have a tascam dr40 and a dr05.
I thought i could buy 2 lavallier and record in to these recorders..but it is not always easy do this setup
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I don't understand what part of the setup is difficult using digital recorders with lav mics? Wireless system wouldn't be any easier setup but would be less work in editing and give you the ability to monitor audio while doing the interview.

For $329 DJI has a remarkable 2 person wireless system. If you're ok with having the transmitters clipped on in view of the camera. Otherwise you'd need to buy lav mics.

There's also the most basic method of buying the most inexpensive lav mics you can afford with cable extensions that run back to the camera. You might need a mixer that supplies phantom power if your camera doesn't.

But before recommending a method you'd need to explain the type of interviews you're doing. Whether they're sit down interviews in a controlled situation or at an event or on the street.
 
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sometimes i interview people just sitting in front of me, other time, less, moving may inthe street. But i am convincing myself to do not go for wireless system. I have tascam dr40 and dr05, and i think it is a very good starting point if use them for example with 2 good lav. And i n my idea i could hide somewhere close the talent (or just in one of his pocket) the tascam and work with lav. Or in other cases, use an extension cable for lav to go to the tascam. The diffciult setup was referring to the fact that using in this way is that i don't have monitoring, unless i use a very long cable extension to go to the camera, but this is not always possible. In any case i'm just leaning torward wired system, because i think it cansound much better, with good lav . By the way what lav, acouple in 300 euro/dollars range? Suggestion onhow to solve the monitoring issue?
 
Peter C. said:
I don't understand what part of the setup is difficult using digital recorders with lav mics? Wireless system wouldn't be any easier setup but would be less work in editing and give you the ability to monitor audio while doing the interview.

For $329 DJI has a remarkable 2 person wireless system. If you're ok with having the transmitters clipped on in view of the camera. Otherwise you'd need to buy lav mics.

There's also the most basic method of buying the most inexpensive lav mics you can afford with cable extensions that run back to the camera. You might need a mixer that supplies phantom power if your camera doesn't.

But before recommending a method you'd need to explain the type of interviews you're doing. Whether they're sit down interviews in a controlled situation or at an event or on the street.
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why do i need phantom with lavs?does lavs work with phanotm also?
 
Condenser mics require 12v-48v phantom power, and lavs require 5v plug-in power.

To use a standard 3.5mm lav with your DR-40, you'll need a minijack to XLR adapter with integrated voltage step-down converter to bring 48v down to 5v (something like a Rode VXLR+).

For indoor sit-down interviews, ideally you'd boom a hypercardioid condenser, and have a lav as a backup.
 
Imamacuser said:
Condenser mics require 12v-48v phantom power, and lavs require 5v plug-in power.

To use a standard 3.5mm lav with your DR-40, you'll need a minijack to XLR adapter with integrated voltage step-down converter to bring 48v down to 5v (something like a Rode VXLR+).

For indoor sit-down interviews, ideally you'd boom a hypercardioid condenser, and have a lav as a backup.
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i didn't know anyway that lavs need power..but not all of them right? if i need to buy lav + adapèter then start to me too messy the things. i 'd rather get a condenser lav if exists. If i wat to use it my tascam rcorder lav is mandatory, at least when is not outdoor. Indoor i have rode videomic that it s not too bad fo rmy recording
 
Imac is right. I'll add most if not all audio recorders supply 5v to power a lav mic. The adapter/converter is needed for devices that provide 48v power via XLR like a camcorder or audio mixer.

Either you'll plug a lav mic into the audio recorder or you'll need an adapter/converter to go into the camera. The latter makes editing easier since the audio is part of the video. The audio recorder method is more tricky. You'll have to set proper levels, batteries, remember to start recording and then sync it in post. It's simpler just to plug lav mics directly into the camera.

I get the feeling that cost is most important factor for you. So buy an inexpensive lav for your audio recorder and you are done. At around $50 a mic that is your spending floor.
 
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Imac is right. I'll add most if not all audio recorders supply 5v to power a lav mic. The adapter/converter is needed for devices that provide 48v power via XLR like a camcorder or audio mixer.

Either you'll plug a lav mic into the audio recorder or you'll need an adapter/converter to go into the camera. The latter makes editing easier since the audio is part of the video. The audio recorder method is more tricky. You'll have to set proper levels, batteries, remember to start recording and then sync it in post. It's simpler just to plug lav mics directly into the camera.

I get the feeling that cost is most important factor for you. So buy an inexpensive lav for your audio recorder and you are done. At around $50 a mic that is your spending floor.
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i have a budget of around 300 euro, so i think can have somehting bit better. 300 for 2 person..so 2 lav or whatever
It is right that working with lav and tascam it is difficult as i don't have control on recording...the sync is the least part..as having the audio internal recording of the camera it is easier to match the fgiles..unless there are lots of small parts of course

So yes..I can still record in camera with good lavs (but i need to connect 2 of them) and long cables also..but the quality of recording in camera is as good as the quality of tascam?From lav i get analog sound so recorder matter
 
I don't know whether the DR05's minijack input is mic level or line level or if it outputs 5v plug-in power. Line-level is about 1000 times stronger than mic level, so a lav connected to a line-level input will result in an inaudible recording.
 
I didn't realize that you needed to record two people simultaneously; you could use a Y-splitter cable to record lav-1 onto the left channel & lav-2 onto the right channel, but that introduces a failure point, and you won't have independent gain control of each channel.

Oscar SoundTech makes good affordable lavs, but they're not the most sensitive.

Omni directional lavs are the safest bet, as you don't get glaring off-axis falloff when the interviewee turns their head.

Look up an auto ducking workflow for your DAW software, as an omni lav will pick up the other interviewee a few feet away.
 
Imamacuser said:
I didn't realize that you needed to record two people simultaneously; you could use a Y-splitter cable to record lav-1 onto the left channel & lav-2 onto the right channel, but that introduces a failure point, and you won't have independent gain control of each channel.

Oscar SoundTech makes good affordable lavs, but they're not the most sensitive.

Omni directional lavs are the safest bet, as you don't get glaring off-axis falloff when the interviewee turns their head.

Look up an auto ducking workflow for your DAW software, as an omni lav will pick up the other interviewee a few feet away.
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yes not always, but it happen i need 2 people to have mic..and i want to be ready for both situation
the best thing woul dbe to have a tools like tascam recorder to be controlled remotely.. :)
what about, btw, thge difference of quality in recording straight into the camera or recrdoing into tascam dr40?
 
The external recorder should sound better, due to less compression, & likely superior preamp, but mic sensitivity, and mic self-noise are also factors.
 
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