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Hello all, I actually do all of my editing work etc. on a mac, but I would like to buy a cheap $499 laptop with PCMCIA cardslot to use on location to offload P2 cards. I'm curious however with Windows Vista coming out in just a few days if Panasonic has made any sort of statement about compatibility with the new Operating System...not being a regular windows user - are there drivers to download? Thanks,

Mark.
 
Please don't buy Vista. It is full of DRM and other insidious technologies designed to control how you use it... XP was bad enough, but Vista takes it to the next level... For more info, check out http://www.badvista.org

That said, there's no reason why the existing drivers shouldn't work on Vista, though Panasonic hasn't officially said anything, to my knowledge.
 
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I got to test run Vista recently at a private demo for IT tech pros. I'm a former IT Engineer who made a ton of money designing and maintaining UNIX and Windows Enterprise level systems around the country (I started just before MS released the very first version of Windows, my first computer repair was with a soldering iron and volt meter on an old Big Blue). I always came home to a Mac. Vista is an OS X rip off, and a very bad one at that. When will MS get with the program and design a SOLID, STABLE, SECURE OS?
 
BenB said:
I got to test run Vista recently at a private demo for IT tech pros. I'm a former IT Engineer who made a ton of money designing and maintaining UNIX and Windows Enterprise level systems around the country (I started just before MS released the very first version of Windows, my first computer repair was with a soldering iron and volt meter on an old Big Blue). I always came home to a Mac. Vista is an OS X rip off, and a very bad one at that. When will MS get with the program and design a SOLID, STABLE, SECURE OS?
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Or, when will Apple release their grip and let OS X run on a much lower cost PC. Now that would be best of both worlds. It would be far easier to try get a few Mac programs to run on a PC than to do the opposite.
 
I like the quality of hardware Apple uses. There are actually two companies making software that allow you to run OS X on Dell's, HP's, etc.

Intel Macs, it IS running on PC hardware...

And there are two companies, one is the Russian company that owns Paralles, who are both fighting tooth and nail to get OS X on any x86 machine, and are doing it quite well already, although in betas.
 
I don't think that apple is going to allow cheap boxes to run the Mac OS on them. The problem would be in the lack of continuity among the components... and no quality control. I mean everything is hacked and put together on the windows side so there's nothing standardized.. The troubleshooting and IT would be a nightmare for Apple to deal with.. much like it is for windows people on that side. Like, Mercedes Benz ain't giving up their enginnering for the people at ford.

Vista will be riddled with known bugs.. and security loop-holes just like every other windows OS. I definitely had to laugh at the comparrison that Jobs did between the new Mac OS and Vista. Strinkingly similar.. so if you can't beat 'em steal from them..


Also as a sidenote, I'm running windows on my macbook and I've never had so much success with windows and been able to do more. Its not just the OS.. but the whole package.. and that's what people won't be getting if OSX runs on plain old windows systems...
 
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I don't think that apple is going to allow cheap boxes to run the Mac OS on them.
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You are correct. If you read the license for OSX, it actually states that it is a violation of the EULA to load the OS on non-Apple hardware. Which is really a shame, because otherwise, Apple's licensing is half-way decent. Certainly much better than Microsoft's, anyway. Rather than linking your software to your hardware (using Product Activation, etc), your license is linked to the user. A much more sensible choice.

I'm really not much of a Mac fan, but I don't dispise them either. I'm really mostly against proprietary hardware in general, which is a problem with most name brand systems. Personally, I think the best combo is clone PC hardware running GNU/Linux. Hopefully, with the new Intel Macs becoming more widespread, software that works on both MacOS and Linux will be more and more available.
 
I have nothing against Apple. Its just that I can't get myself to pay $2,000 for hardware that would cost $1500 on a PC. And the only program I am interested in that runs solely on Apple is FCP. So if OS X was able to run on a PC machine and allow me to use FCP than I would have the best of both worlds. As for now, all my professional work (non camera related) is on windows so I need a machine that is able to run all my Windows based programs. Sadly, not all programs run under Apple's bootcamp.

As for OS X on PC, I have read up on Parallels and VMware before. Both their programs for running OS X on x86 machines are still beta and have stability issues. Unfortunately they are not there yet and last I heard Jobs was giving them a hard time regarding the licencing.

I will just have to wait.
 
To answer your question (rather than jump on the "MS is evil" highjack), check the panasonic website for the definitive info. Because it is hardware and basic HW at that -- I would not be surprised if it ran. I am getting a new HVX200 in a couple weeks and will try it on my Vista box.

BTW, Vista PREMIUM has all the HD codecs and moviemaker allows direct input from a HVX200 to Vista via firewire. It is important to have a laptop with at least a 5400 RPM speed (most cheap laptops are 4200) and for Vista Premium it is recommended that you have 2 GB RAM (most cheap laps have 512). So you are looking at a $1000+ laptop if you want to record direct to Vista.

My 2 cents is buy a cheap laptop and run XP if all you want it for is to transfer PS2 cards. Vista is not necessary (and neither is a MAC....).
 
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