Why dont they FLIP???

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Shane Jackson

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Seems to me it would be fairly easy for the manufacturers to flip the image in camera. How nice would it be to push a button and have the image flipped!!

Listen up Panasonic - Recapture the market from Canon - make flipping an option in the camera!!!!!!
 
This has been mentioned on here before. It seems simple... but maybe in a future camera... who knows!

I'd still be using a video assist LCD... the HVX's LCD is too small for me!
 
Jason Ramsey said:
All of the 35 adapter companies are going to flip soon enough anyways, so it's a non-issue.
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Well - it's not a TOTAL nonissue.
If we could flip internally then you could still use an adapter without rails in certain situations, which would be great. And, your entire rig would be a bit less...awkward.

So - you're right that its not really necessary - but it would be much nicer.
 
Not to mention the light loss involved to flip the image. If the cam did it = 0 light loss. Use 3 high quality mirrors = 30% ($20 mirror each) to 3% ($140 mirror each) light loss.
 
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Has Jan ever commented on why or how difficult it would be for Panasonic to have a Flip image mode update via firmware?....now that i think of it.....I am sure Barry asked her numerous times....:Drogar-Happy(DBG):
 
I've not noticed a loss of quality of flipping the image in post. I agree, a flip is needed for any camera especially as we live in a world now of 35mm adaptors that all don't flip back yet.

Richard
 
3xm said:
Has Jan ever commented on why or how difficult it would be for Panasonic to have a Flip image mode update via firmware?....now that i think of it.....I am sure Barry asked her numerous times....:Drogar-Happy(DBG):
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I've seen this question so many times but have never seen an ACTUAL TECHNICAL answer. Please, if anyone (looking at you Barry!) knows if it is possible, let us know.
 
To do it in camera it would just take a change in firmware.

Shouldn't be that big of a deal.

It would solve a great deal of the issues at hand.

Also, Canon would be well served to make adapters that use their line of lenses.

I would imagine they could engineer something superior to what we use today very close or even a bit less than current cost.

The only reason I can think of them not wanting to would be to small a market and competition with their higher range of products.
 
jstunzi said:
Well, it is kinda a big deal. I mean the firmware wasn't written for ideas like this in mind. Thus, it could be a lot more complicated to enable an option for "flipping" the screen. It's not HTML. It's not PHP. It's complicated I'm sure.

To the outsider, it may seem easy peasy. But I mean I think I've seen Barry state on here that it's a lot more complicated than a line of code.
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You "know" it's not HTML, you "know" it's not PHP.

And you are "Sure" it's complicated.


O.K. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Go ahead and tell us what it is and how you know all of this.

I am very interested to learn from you.


Here is some sample code for flipping in Java:
  1. public static BufferedImage horizontalflip(BufferedImage img) {
  2. int w = img.getWidth();
  3. int h = img.getHeight();
  4. BufferedImage dimg = new BufferedImage(w, h, img.getType());
  5. Graphics2D g = dimg.createGraphics();
  6. g.drawImage(img, 0, 0, w, h, w, 0, 0, h, null);
  7. g.dispose();
  8. return dimg;
  9. }
Please let me know what the firmware is written in and i am sure we can find some code that would work in C, C++, lisp.....

This certainly seems like a very easy mod to place in the firmware to an "outsider."

Really as consumers we are the only reason the camera companies even exits... Sooner or later if the demand remains high for this someone will fulfill it.


I eagerly await your edification.
 
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Just to make sure there isn't any confusion.

There are two ways to flip an image.

Optically (This uses physical means such as mirrors, prisms, lenses ... and will eat light due to the here-to-fore immutable laws of physics. This is more expensive and complicated.)

and

Software (This is merely changing the orientation of the image data being sent to the monitor before the camera info is overlaid. No loss of light or quality. This is cheap and relatively easy!)
 
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