Hawk Teflon
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That and DVDSP. So far I despise Encore. It's just crash after crash. Though, Apple still left Blu-ray out in the cold on DVDSP.
Why do you prefer Premier over FCP or Avid?
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That and DVDSP. So far I despise Encore. It's just crash after crash. Though, Apple still left Blu-ray out in the cold on DVDSP.
Postmaster
Dark Side of the Camera
Butcher, you might as well want to preface your post with "in my opinion".
BBC just bought additional 2,000 seats of Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 software as the company’s primary tool for desktop nonlinear editing.
And Premiere/After Effects was also involved in Avatar. So let´s talk about higher end broadcast jobs and feature films.
Premiere still has that wedding/web stigma for a lot of folks, but most of them are not really deep into Adobe´s Creative Suite and working with it, in a professional environment, under pressure and on a daily basis.
Avid on the other hand is loosing some ground. I never saw so many Avid editors returning their new software as on MC6.
Go to any Avid forum and you will see, that fast, reliable and stable is nothing but a myth, they have the same problems, hang ups and crashes as anyone else.
A last word on Premieres speed/smoothness.
Since Premiere can read about any media - no mater what format, without any transcoding - of course some codecs as AVCHD are demanding on the hardware. If you got a machine, that is up to the specs you not gonna have any problems with speed in genral, but it´s not THAT snappy.
No wonder Avid or FCP are snappier when you have to transcode your AVCHD in ProRes or DnxHD first - those are easy codecs - they are snappy in Premiere too.
For the record. Some of the best films are edited on Movieolas or Steenbecks - they only had two functions back than: cut and glue together.
With those two functions you can edit any high end feature film - everything else is just nice to have.
Something to keep in mind when talking about editing hard - and software.
my ct2, Frank
Of course it's my opinion...
What do you mean when you say that CS5.5 has a lot of promise but needs tweaking and finessing? Can you be more specific?
Didn't know that about the BBC - do you have a link to the press release? I'd like to read about it. If the BBC is going all Premiere then Adobe is making inroads faster than I anticipated. But in Hollywood (I should have prefaced my post with "in the US") it's still Avid. And regarding Avatar - it was edited on Media Composer 2.8. Premiere was used, but it wasn't the NLE to cut the film, so I stand by my post - if you want to cut features, learn Avid. It's what most of the features in Hollywood are cut on.
A stigma that should have been shed with CS5 (probably earlier). But there's also no denying that it's also a great NLE choice for wedding/web videos, and there shouldn't be shame in that. A lot of the work I do now is direct to web and it's for clients that were traditionally broadcast. And if the pieces you're using are graphics heavy using Photoshop/Illustrator/After Effects, Premiere is a natural fit.
Are these people returning the software people you personally know or people on forums? The people I've personally spoken to are very pleased with MC6. I haven't seen a clamoring for refunds on the Avid forums either but I haven't been spending as much time there since I haven't used the software regularly in about a year. Maybe I missed the thread. There was a big issue raised with the version of Squeeze bundled with it (which is being resolved), but as far as the editor goes it looks like the typical version x.0 bugs. The software is still very, very stable (not that Premiere isn't). With the release of FCPX I expect Avid to quickly regain much of the ground it lost in TV and Feature work. Some might go to Premiere, but I expect most to go back to Avid, like Bunim/Murray did.
Of course. But even Spielberg gave up his KEMs and Moviolas recently for digital. His complaint? It's too fast. Interesting snippet here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/spielbergfilms/steven-spielberg-on-digital-editing/293463830672209
Can Premiere edit a feature? Of course. But if you have a handful of assistant editors and several lead editors working on a TV series or feature film in the US, or that's the work you aim to do, you'll probably be on an Avid or the remnants of a FCP system. That's not a statement against Premiere - it's a statement on the tools used in the US here. It might be different in Germany.
Michael
PS - I have read about TV stations that are going with Premiere. I could see the promo departments really adopting Premiere, particularly because of it's integration with After Effects and ability to read so many formats natively.
WhiteMonkey
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I've used Premiere, on both Macs and PCs, for over 15 years now. I first learned Adobe Photoshop and making the transition over to Premiere was natural and easy. We were making short films, editing animation, making video for CD-ROMs. It was a very powerful tool when working with digital video. I used a Video Vision studio to capture analog video before and after we got a Media 100 and even though the Media 100 was over $10,000, Premiere was capable of anything it was and like people have been saying, learn to edit first. Premiere is just a tool and honestly it was always there for me through DV, P2, HDV, you name it.
It's not platform specific anymore. You can run CS5 or 5.5 on either expensive Mac hardware, a Hackintosh, or a Windows 7 machine. Going to give you a lot of options for where you can work. CS5 reads FCP XML so you can collaborate easily.
I left Apple and Macintosh when my dad stopped buying me computers. You sure can spend a lot of money of a computer, but on the West Coast and in SoCal, I can see spending the money because all of your collaborators are on Macs or at least build a Hackintosh.
$1899 is not a lot to ask for something like that and you can learn PP in a few hours and be up and running.
The integration with AE is excellent as is the philosophy of working with the original, rather than a copy, is great when using the link to color correct in AE and online the film.
The media encoder is just a render engine and frees you up to continue working in PP while it renders. My Encore has never frozen or crashed.
I'll take a look at CS6 but CS5 fits my cameras quite well and I'm not looking to upgrade and I'm expecting to have features on my drives by next winter.
It's not platform specific anymore. You can run CS5 or 5.5 on either expensive Mac hardware, a Hackintosh, or a Windows 7 machine. Going to give you a lot of options for where you can work. CS5 reads FCP XML so you can collaborate easily.
I left Apple and Macintosh when my dad stopped buying me computers. You sure can spend a lot of money of a computer, but on the West Coast and in SoCal, I can see spending the money because all of your collaborators are on Macs or at least build a Hackintosh.
$1899 is not a lot to ask for something like that and you can learn PP in a few hours and be up and running.
The integration with AE is excellent as is the philosophy of working with the original, rather than a copy, is great when using the link to color correct in AE and online the film.
The media encoder is just a render engine and frees you up to continue working in PP while it renders. My Encore has never frozen or crashed.
I'll take a look at CS6 but CS5 fits my cameras quite well and I'm not looking to upgrade and I'm expecting to have features on my drives by next winter.
Butcher, just to you know that news about the BBC buying 2,000 Premiere Pro stations is 1.5 years old now. They are not using them as their main NLE stations, but mostly spare stations for directors to play around on, cutting short promos, that kind of work. To keep in perspective though, the BBC is so big that they have hands in almost every major technology/software at some level. When I worked in audio we used to joke that the BBC ought to make press releases about what kind of paint they use, because every company has practically used them at least once so say "hey, BBC uses us!" - anyway though... jokes aside - this change was done before FCPX came out, and was not a result of the (now) famous Apple debacle. The vast bulk of their work is still Avid.
I hate to rag on Postmaster's wishful thinking, but Premiere Pro is not making any major into broadcast and worldwide film projects right now. I think it will slowly creep, but it's indeed true that Avid is making a bit of a comeback in broadcast. I hope that I will edit a TV show on Premiere within the next 5 years. I would love that. "In my opinion," (I'll save you the trouble of prefacing it for me) I still think that long format is an Avid industry, and short format is soon to be Premiere. I love them both, many pionts that WhiteMonkey states are absolutely true, and are a direct advantage over Media Composer.
I hate to rag on Postmaster's wishful thinking, but Premiere Pro is not making any major into broadcast and worldwide film projects right now. I think it will slowly creep, but it's indeed true that Avid is making a bit of a comeback in broadcast. I hope that I will edit a TV show on Premiere within the next 5 years. I would love that. "In my opinion," (I'll save you the trouble of prefacing it for me) I still think that long format is an Avid industry, and short format is soon to be Premiere. I love them both, many pionts that WhiteMonkey states are absolutely true, and are a direct advantage over Media Composer.
Postmaster
Dark Side of the Camera
Over 2000 "spare stations" - go figure.
I started using Premiere with CS2. They tried to make me use FCP in college but I found it just didn't work for me. I chose Premiere because it took whatever I thew at it without converting, saving me a lot of time, and more importantly, frustration. I want to be able to just edit and not worry about what format the footage is in. I also loved how I could be editing, need an effects shot, and throw the shot over to After Effects through dynamic link or drop in a Photoshop file without needing to render.
