Which Camera is the Most "Filmic"?

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Lobbamobba

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EDIT: Did a quick poll for an upcoming tutorial just to prove that people aren't exactly on the same page when they say words like "filmic", "grain", "look" etc.

Now I have regraded it and uploaded again with some extra S-Log included.


The BMPCC was shot in Prores and the D16 in Raw. Both where graded with a 7207 LUT.
The H16 was shooting actual ISO250 Kodak 7207.

The Krasnogorsk was shooting ISO 50 Kodak 7203 so thats the LUT the A7ii received.
 
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I like camera C, A, B is awful looking.

Having said that I don't think the camera really matters, with good lighting & exposure it can easily come down to grading.
 
starcentral said:
I like camera C, A, B is awful looking.

Having said that I don't think the camera really matters, with good lighting & exposure it can easily come down to grading.
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True, but at this point Im only interested in what people think is "filmic".
Thanks for your input :)
 
A= Looks a lot like Black Magic footage to my eye's. I could be wrong though, might be sony. I find it odd the windows are blown out, but the roll-off isn't clipped like it does with a camera that has lousy dynamic range.
B= YUCK, Magenta skin tones, soft image, surprisingly it holds detail in the window, B also appears to have some stuck or hot pixels that flash here and there.
C= Yellowish skin tones, Terrible edge sharpness. There's bad optics somewhere in the mix.

Based on this alone, I would without a doubt go with A, even with the cropped image. B and C both have bad noise and a soft image. I didn't like either.

As far "FILMIC" goes, I didn't see anything that really falls in that category. It need to be lit, framed, color corrected most of all, then graded.
 
maranfilms said:
As far "FILMIC" goes, I didn't see anything that really falls in that category. It need to be lit, framed, color corrected most of all, then graded.
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Well this is the point I wanted to proove.
People always talk about "filmic" and "cinematic" as if they knew what the other guy is thinking.

People always assume that everyone has the same idea. I said "filmic" and you assumed I meant what I would call "cinematic" with lights, sets, music, grading etc.

Thanks for your input :)

I will post the camera identity after dinner.

(btw, one is film)
 
I see your point:)
I confused C and B, Now we know that one is film, would explain the dust flashes here and there, and not hot pixels, It's tough to tell looking at it in a 4x6 window. If you look at C, the edge to edge sharpness is really poor even on a small monitor.
 
Filmic or not but I like A. But this is a very unfair comparison as these clips are so different and A is the one camera that has nailed focus through out the different clips. Camera C looks like film due to the dust specks. Question is why all of these clips have so much noise added?
 
Osslund said:
Filmic or not but I like A. But this is a very unfair comparison as these clips are so different and A is the one camera that has nailed focus through out the different clips. Camera C looks like film due to the dust specks. Question is why all of these clips have so much noise added?
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They are exposed the same with the same lens. Cant get much more fair than that.
But while we are on the subject. Its not suposed to be fair. I never understood why a test should ever be fair. Its not even suposed to be a competition. No camera in the world has ever been "better" than any other camera. So who needs fair :)

To answer your question about added noise, none of them have added noise.
Again my point is prooved.

When people talk about "noise" online we dont mean the same thing. If you ask me there is no noise in any of theese clips. So how can we ever say this or that camera has noise.
The shooters online arent even agreeing on what noise is :)
 
I've looked at your clips and prefer the clearer more detailed images from camera A as that's the most familiar look for me.

As for the terms 'filmic' and 'cinematic', I've never really understood what they mean. Years ago when I was involved with judging still photos shot on film it was popular to announce that certain images looked 'painterly'. There again I never really knew what that meant. Having spent a lot of $$$ (or what seems like a lot to me as a hobbyist) to get equipment with which I can get the sharpest (i.e. most detailed) images I can I'm not particularly attracted to the style of adding effects like noise or grain to deteriorate the image for a look like the cameras of my youth. But then I had the same reaction to the idea of light leaks that were so popular when I first editing and shooting video. Guess I'm just not keeping up.
 
Answers:
Camera A: Digital Bolex with an Impulze 7207 LUT and Gorilla Grain.
Camera B: Blackmagic Pocket with Filmconvert 7207 and grain.
Camera C: Bolex H16 with actual Kodak 7207, no grade and only native grain.
 
I showed this to my wife and parents before you posted the results. They unanimously chose C. (Quite quickly suprisingly) Next, I asked them to choose the most appealing images. After watching 2x more they chose C. again. A. was thought to possibly be an iphone and B. was unknown but considered muddy and murky.

I guessed a dslr for A. B. As one of the bm products and C. As film. The Frenchie was also a clue because he was on edge for C.
 
I'm surprised you used the same lens on all three cams because C- has some serious issues with the image. Look at the chair and back right of the frame, it's not only soft, but looks smeared, stop the video and look at the side of the dogs face when sitting on the ledge (cool dog by the way) there's also smearing, kind of looks like the new Sony F5 footage in 4k mode. lol

I'm not at all surprised I liked the Bolex footage the best, I've liked that cameras image for a while now and have been thinking of buying one, I just hate the form factor. I could care less about the nostalgic body and would much prefer a rectangle box with many mounting points.
 
Osslund said:
As the word filmic has been so abused and questioned on so many threads I'm only looking on what's appealing to me. I liked A the best but I would never buy any of these cameras based on this video as the quality is sub par.
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I should hope since this is not a which camera should you buy test.
This is about People not communicating.
 
Did a new version,


The BMPCC was shot in Prores and the D16 in Raw. Both where graded with a 7207 LUT.
The H16 was shooting actual ISO250 Kodak 7207.

The Krasnogorsk was shooting ISO 50 Kodak 7203 so thats the LUT the A7ii received.
 
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