What about the Rebel? Why isn't anyone talking about it?

roxics

roxics

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I don't really see a lot of talk or for that matter a lot of videos about the Rebel T1i. I have a buddy who bought one on Friday and I got to try it out and shoot some video with it. Looks great. I didn't try to go in depth with it but this was the first time I shot video with a DSLR.

I'm just kind of curious why there isn't more talk about it on here? It seems to have gone largely ignored. This confuses me since it is the cheapest Canon DSLR with video. I would think everyone would be knocking down Canons door to get 24p and manual controls on the next Rebel.

Not all of us want to spend $1700 on a camera body.

Beyond that why aren't there a lot of rumors and speculation about the next Rebel? Surely it will have better video then the current one.

So what's the deal? Am I the only one here interested in it? Am I the only one geeked about a 1080/24p Rebel for $900 bucks?

When is the next one supposed to come out?
 
BTW I've seen a lot of commercials for the T1i on hulu and on TV so maybe there isn't a new one coming soon. Maybe new firmware instead? Could new firmware make it do 1080/24p and full manual control of everything?
 
I think it is because of the lack of manual control in video mode, a lot of people started off with the rebel but upgraded to the 7D, when it became available, plus the fact that the rebel has always had the brand of a consumer camera, and it was build for people who want a DSLR camera but not the price tag, or user options of a professional DSLR.
This is my opinion others might have different reasons.
 
Sure I understand that. But at the very least I'm surprised not to see more protest for a firmware update to fix such things. 20p is pretty close to 24p. Maybe Canon can squeeze out and extra 4 frames. At the very least they can release a firmware update to allow all manual control.

Or does everyone here have money just falling out of their pockets? I know I don't. But then I live in Michigan and we're pretty hit right now.
 
Every company has a plan, canon has stated before that the did not make a video camera, they made a still camera, I have a friend who has 3 Canon EOS 5D Mark II, he called me and told me he needed a video camera to shoot some stuff. First I laughed at him, then I pointed him to vimeo and to Philip Bloom ... now he has 3 video kits for his Canon EOS 5D Mark II.
The rebel, Canon EOS 5D Mark II, and the Canon EOS 7D SLR are mostly used as still cameras, even though there may be a million post on video forums, we are the minority, and still photographers are the majority, so as a business man who would you build your product for?
They have seen a few cry's for help and they are trying to fix, but at the end of the day this will be a still camera that shoots video.
 
Of course it will. There is no denying that. But the fact is it does still shoot video. If Canon could release a firmware update to fix some of it's issues it will just be a still camera with even better video recording.
 
roxics said:
Of course it will. There is no denying that. But the fact is it does still shoot video. If Canon could release a firmware update to fix some of it's issues it will just be a still camera with even better video recording.
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I don't know. That 20P frame rate was intentional from the beginning and so was the lack of manual control. They knew exactly what they were doing, and I wouldn't plan on it being fixed. The T1i was released after the 5DII when they knew about the out cry for manual controls and 24P.
 
f64manray said:
I don't know. That 20P frame rate was intentional from the beginning and so was the lack of manual control. They knew exactly what they were doing, and I wouldn't plan on it being fixed. The T1i was released after the 5DII when they knew about the out cry for manual controls and 24P.
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Exactly, I'd be willing to bet it could do 24p if Canon had wanted it but it would have severely eaten into their 5D II sales at the time. As fast as cameras come and go I think Canon will just release a successor to the T1i and offer what should have been standard in the T1i in the new version (24 or 30p, at least some control like aperture, mic jack, etc)

I'm still waiting for a REAL vdslr, complete with full pixel sampling in video mode. The technology isn't as far-fetched as people believe, Kodak already sells a 2/3 or 1" 1080 sensor capable of full frame readout at 32 (or is it 64 frames, sec). They also offer the same chip in a 4/3" format. Sony has seen their amazing little 1/1.8 chip for years now, mostly in the EX-F1
 
If 500d would have manual shutter then in 1080p it would be OK but now with 20 frames and 1/4000 shutter speed in ISO 100/200 is too stuttery ,not enough frames and too much strobing, in ISO 1600 its much better (shutter is 1/30-60)and 20p resembles film more than awful 30p.
This is how it looks in iso 100(shutter 1/2000 or 1/4000):
http://www.vimeo.com/6492051
scary to hold in hand
 
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roxics said:
Sure I understand that. But at the very least I'm surprised not to see more protest for a firmware update to fix such things. 20p is pretty close to 24p. Maybe Canon can squeeze out and extra 4 frames. At the very least they can release a firmware update to allow all manual control.

Or does everyone here have money just falling out of their pockets? I know I don't. But then I live in Michigan and we're pretty hit right now.
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Four frames makes a difference. My D40 does 4fps in burst mode, my 7D does 8. One is $400 kit and the other is $1,700 body only. Don't ever think it is "just x amount of frames."

$1,700 is dirt cheap. More then a few of us remember buying the DVX for $3,500 plus. We are all lucky we can get so much for so little today.
 
William_Robinette said:
$1,700 is dirt cheap. More then a few of us remember buying the DVX for $3,500 plus. We are all lucky we can get so much for so little today.
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The DSLRs have brought an influx of a different class of user to the fold, the "no money" user. Sure, $1700 might be cheap to us, but it's a LOT of money to them. They're the ones who have to justify spending in the ballpark of $1000 for a decent consumer handycam like the HV40 and wouldn't give a thought to the likes of the DVX, HVX, EX1, etc.
 
William_Robinette said:
Four frames makes a difference. My D40 does 4fps in burst mode, my 7D does 8. One is $400 kit and the other is $1,700 body only. Don't ever think it is "just x amount of frames."

$1,700 is dirt cheap. More then a few of us remember buying the DVX for $3,500 plus. We are all lucky we can get so much for so little today.
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The difference between your D40 and your 7D however was full resolution. Multiple megapixels of still frames. You aren't shooting video like that. At least not yet. That's very different than 4 "video" frames.

I understand that in the grand scheme of things $1700 is cheap. I've never owned a DVX100 but ten years ago I did buy a Canon XL1 for $3000. And that was used. However at the time I was 20 and living at home with my parents and didn't have any real bills. Today I'm older, have a 5 year old and several bills and don't make as much at my job as I should for what I do. So at this point in my life even putting $1000 together for a "camera" is a lot of money and I'd probably get a mouthful from my girlfriend about it to boot. "You spent how much? On a camera!"

At work I shoot with an XHA1. So I know how far these cameras have come. I just think that what Canon is doing by not enabling 24p on a camera like this is silly. Because while some of you may say it would take sales away from the 5DII, I would counter that by saying, no it won't because the 5DII is a pro camera that professionals are going to buy. All they are doing by not adding the firmware fix is stopping people like myself from buying the T1i. It's not like I can afford to go out and buy a 7D or 5DII.
 
I can attest to the aliasing issue in the K-x. I have one. Still a superior camera to the T1i. It at the very least has aperture control and from my personal tests, resolves much more detail than T1i, not to mention the incredible ISO performance. Also, Pentax is more likely to add manual control than Canon is. I'm not crossing my fingers just yet though.

I sold the T1i for the K-x.

Oh, jello is strong in the K-x. T1i is definitely better. However with the Shake Reduction on, it's an even playing field for the most part. The SR is really effective in the K-x.

Here is a recent clip from the K-x.
 
I dont know, canon already announced firmware with 24p to 5D,i dont think that something would help pentax to get rid of aliasing because its much worse than ti1 in 720p from video ive seen on yotube.
If peoples would whine to canon about 20p then maybe at least they could add manual shutter in firmware so footage at 20p wont be so stuttery.
Wojtek nagraj jakies portrety pentaxem bo nie za duzo widac z tego co dales.
 
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