Wedding Highlights reel
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CORUSA Design
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This is an old wedding clip we did, but slow mo works fine in 30p as long as you dont do slow-mo when they are moving fast as stated earlier. Too bad it was back when we used the XL1 instead of our new HVX
Post-Ceremony only...
http://www.corusa.com/media/mpeg_wedding_sample.mpg
but you get the idea.
::: Connor
Post-Ceremony only...
http://www.corusa.com/media/mpeg_wedding_sample.mpg
but you get the idea.
::: Connor
SilverWolf
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What did you use to make the roses in the beginning and the end ? Also that looks like the shine plugin in the end as well . Looks nice
CORUSA Design
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Im using Premiere Pro to edit, no plugins used, Beginning and end are 2 DigitalJuice Jumpbacks clips. One from the wedding collection, one from Subtle Impact collection.
::: Connor
::: Connor
cecil995
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special lighting....hahaha. Your lucky if you can get a head on shot of the bride coming down the isle. The clergy have very strong feelings about photographers and videographers getting in the way of their ceremony, so some of them have very specific rules as to where you can shoot from. The reception, we just use these on camera soft lights with 60 watt bulbs and that seems to cover most situations. The DJ's love to make the room pitch black so they can show off their fancy light show, which doesn't work well for us.
mystico
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OK, maybe I should start a new thread for this question, but it's on the same basic subject. I'm trying to redo the highlights reel--incorporating footage from a previous wedding. The prev wedding was shot with a 1ccd cam. Also, I had to re-convert the final movie to avi in order to bring it into Premiere Pro since I'd deleted all the original capture files. (Don't worry, I've learned my lesson on that one.) Anyway, I started a New Project, using normal 30p timeline setting. The avi files from this wedding (24p) go nicely onto the timeline. However, when I try to put the old converted avi onto the same timeline, that old footage plays with lots of noise--you can't see anything.
Is there some problem with mixing 24p and 30p footage on a 30p timeline?
Is there some problem with mixing 24p and 30p footage on a 30p timeline?
CORUSA Design
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Well, #1 - use floods at the reception on your hot shoe, and make sure youhave soft lighting so you do not down out your subjects with white. #2 - getting a shot of the bride walking down the isle is not hard since the majority of churches will let you have a front camera up on the altar as long as it cannot be seen by anyone, which has always worked out for us, because we put the GL2 up on the front right (stage left) and it is small and unnoticable, and we get great shots of the bride/groom.
Sometimes we'll have a third camera behind a column on the side isle, as she walks down raise the tripod above everyone (glad its am 96 inch tripod), and get her walking down the isle close up with her father. Then just let that be a static camera zoomed in on the bridal party, whicle the front and back cameras get the good shots (works great as a backup if both end up being shakey at one point, you can just fade to it and fade back when no more shakiness)
Doing a wedding with only one camera is impossible if you war wanting to ive the bride a quality product. Two cameras is a minimum.
Oh yeah, and make sure you have the wireless hooked into one of your cameras, and the lapel mic on the groom or preacher. You need high quality audio for the vows, so you don't have to use house audio. Usually we plug the soundboard into the back camera since it it usually upstairs in the church balcony, and the wireless into the front camera via hot-show, mic input. That way if anyone sings a song or p;ays paino or something, we can use soundboard audio rather than camera ambient audio, sounds much better for the DVD.
You have to keep in mind...brides and grooms have no clue how much setup and time and rigging it takes to get good audio, they just EXPECT it to be CD quality when they hear it on their DVD, so if you are using camera ausio in your productions, they are going to be dissapointed...you cannot sit there when it's done and explain o them "Well, this is how videography works, etc etc..." They dont care about that, they just want a high-quality product, so at every chance you get use high-quality audio.
In our DVDs we have 7 parts...Pre-Ceremony, Ceremony, Post-Ceremony, and Reception (then two buttons for Reception Formals, and Ceremony Highlights), and DVD motion intro with Canon s0D pictures, but the intro is just 15-20 seconds...Anyway we do not use camera mic audio on ANYTHING, Unless they say something funny or they get up int he camera and say something like "I Love you" but the whole thing is overlayed music, and the Ceremony especially is either wireless lapel audio from the preacher talking/vows being spoken, or overlayed music, or soundboard music if someone sings.
Anyway, you get the idea, just dont use camera-mic audio every unless it is a must.
::: Connor
Sometimes we'll have a third camera behind a column on the side isle, as she walks down raise the tripod above everyone (glad its am 96 inch tripod), and get her walking down the isle close up with her father. Then just let that be a static camera zoomed in on the bridal party, whicle the front and back cameras get the good shots (works great as a backup if both end up being shakey at one point, you can just fade to it and fade back when no more shakiness)
Doing a wedding with only one camera is impossible if you war wanting to ive the bride a quality product. Two cameras is a minimum.
Oh yeah, and make sure you have the wireless hooked into one of your cameras, and the lapel mic on the groom or preacher. You need high quality audio for the vows, so you don't have to use house audio. Usually we plug the soundboard into the back camera since it it usually upstairs in the church balcony, and the wireless into the front camera via hot-show, mic input. That way if anyone sings a song or p;ays paino or something, we can use soundboard audio rather than camera ambient audio, sounds much better for the DVD.
You have to keep in mind...brides and grooms have no clue how much setup and time and rigging it takes to get good audio, they just EXPECT it to be CD quality when they hear it on their DVD, so if you are using camera ausio in your productions, they are going to be dissapointed...you cannot sit there when it's done and explain o them "Well, this is how videography works, etc etc..." They dont care about that, they just want a high-quality product, so at every chance you get use high-quality audio.
In our DVDs we have 7 parts...Pre-Ceremony, Ceremony, Post-Ceremony, and Reception (then two buttons for Reception Formals, and Ceremony Highlights), and DVD motion intro with Canon s0D pictures, but the intro is just 15-20 seconds...Anyway we do not use camera mic audio on ANYTHING, Unless they say something funny or they get up int he camera and say something like "I Love you" but the whole thing is overlayed music, and the Ceremony especially is either wireless lapel audio from the preacher talking/vows being spoken, or overlayed music, or soundboard music if someone sings.
Anyway, you get the idea, just dont use camera-mic audio every unless it is a must.
::: Connor
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mystico said:
cecil995
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looks much better. Only two things I would change is to get rid of the extreme zoom in's of the bride and groom, and to make a smoother transition into the dance music (edit the shania twain song so it acutally ends when you want it to, not just fade out quicky). The revised first dance footage looks alot better.
mystico
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I figured out that I have to use WMV9 as the compression type rather than Xvid, DixX or anything else. Then I'm able to bring the avi into the Premiere timeline with no problem.
Anyway, cecil I will be making the changes you recommended.
I have posted an abbreviated version of the Love Story from my first wedding (remember ... my niece's). As I looked at it, I was already critiquing and recognising some of the things I could/should have done differently. Below are my self-critiques> BTW, this was shot with Samsung SCD55 (a 1ccd cam that cost me $500 on Amazon as it was being discontinued in 2001). Baby, we've come a long way. Anyway, luck was definitely on my side because this cam died just after I finished this wedding. You can see some of the pixelation in this Love Story and there was a bit during the ceremony as well. It's so malaligned that it won't even record anymore. It's now working during its retirement as a tape rewinder. BTW, any potential for tape damage during rewinding because of misalignment??
Anyway, my self-critiques:
- Should have used multiple angles. When I was setting up to interview each person, I set the camera down and didn't move it at all. Should have had some shots from side, slightly off-center, from below, slightly downward, etc.
- Should have done some B-roll of them strolling across bridge in park, through grass, him pushing her on swings, or something, rather than just cuts to old pics. I'd actually worked out a whole skit of his first meeting with her dad--a short comedy. Groom and bride are thespians so they loved the idea. But I arrived the day before the wedding and we didn't have the time for it. I'd planned on showing that as they talked about that first meeting.
- For the parts where I was showing that they described a certain thing almost verbatim to each other, should have edited it differently rather than just more switching from one to the next--which didn't differentiate that part enough from the rest of it. Maybe PIPs, freeze-framing one while the other talked, etc.
Well, that's about all I've got. This whole thing was about 23 mins and it's condensed to 10 mins here.
I also redid the samples page a bit.
www.cloud9videoproductions.com/samples.htm
Bring on the critiques filmmakers. Your eyes really help ...
Anyway, cecil I will be making the changes you recommended.
I have posted an abbreviated version of the Love Story from my first wedding (remember ... my niece's). As I looked at it, I was already critiquing and recognising some of the things I could/should have done differently. Below are my self-critiques> BTW, this was shot with Samsung SCD55 (a 1ccd cam that cost me $500 on Amazon as it was being discontinued in 2001). Baby, we've come a long way. Anyway, luck was definitely on my side because this cam died just after I finished this wedding. You can see some of the pixelation in this Love Story and there was a bit during the ceremony as well. It's so malaligned that it won't even record anymore. It's now working during its retirement as a tape rewinder. BTW, any potential for tape damage during rewinding because of misalignment??
Anyway, my self-critiques:
- Should have used multiple angles. When I was setting up to interview each person, I set the camera down and didn't move it at all. Should have had some shots from side, slightly off-center, from below, slightly downward, etc.
- Should have done some B-roll of them strolling across bridge in park, through grass, him pushing her on swings, or something, rather than just cuts to old pics. I'd actually worked out a whole skit of his first meeting with her dad--a short comedy. Groom and bride are thespians so they loved the idea. But I arrived the day before the wedding and we didn't have the time for it. I'd planned on showing that as they talked about that first meeting.
- For the parts where I was showing that they described a certain thing almost verbatim to each other, should have edited it differently rather than just more switching from one to the next--which didn't differentiate that part enough from the rest of it. Maybe PIPs, freeze-framing one while the other talked, etc.
Well, that's about all I've got. This whole thing was about 23 mins and it's condensed to 10 mins here.
I also redid the samples page a bit.
www.cloud9videoproductions.com/samples.htm
Bring on the critiques filmmakers. Your eyes really help ...
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mystico
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Don't try just yet to view this. I noticed several hours after uploading it that it's 500+ mb. Something is awry in my encoding so I'm going to redo it tonight. That highlights reel is also way too big (70+ mb) for its size, in comparison to the time length:file size ratio I see in some other members' posts.
Any suggestions?
I use PremPro to encode the mov. Video comp=H.264, bitrate 300, size 320 x 240
Any suggestions?
I use PremPro to encode the mov. Video comp=H.264, bitrate 300, size 320 x 240
If you get bored---remember this is your job. No one said work would always be what you want it to be. I like to do some off the wall things with my videos. This segment is kind of a spoofy, out-take type segment that was a lot of fun. You may get some ideas, may not. Go to http://homepage.mac.com/kanoab/iMovieTheater28.htmlmystico said:
mystico
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OK something is very wrong here. I re-encoded this thing as wmv using WMV9 as the codec. Much smaller final file size (19 MB) but it looks horrible. I'd much rather have final file as mov, using H.264 but something is going horribly wrong with the rest of the settings.
Help!
Help!
CORUSA Design
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First things first...use Canopus Procoder 2.0 for any video conversions needed...ok now.
Just checked the wedding highlights reel...
Well, the slow mo is rough. Slow motion is great for emotional parts, but it loses its emotional effect when you use it for the whole thing.
Also, you slowed it down too much, where you can see clearly where frames hang for too long...looks like 5fps, which would be around 16% which is way to slow, you shouldnt ever go below 30%, unless you are shooting in 60fps originally, but it looks like your footage was either 30fps to begin with, or if it was 60, then you slowed it down to like 7 or 8% which is why it is so glitchy.
Anyway, always shoot weddings in 60p, this will allow for slow motion on anything when you edit, at 30% or 40% creating ultra smooth slow-mo and no unwanted frame holds.
Just some advice from a long time wedding videographer. Hope that helps. If you dont have a camera that can shoot higher than 30fps, then i would never go below 40% slowed speed in editing.
::: Connor
P.S. - About the getting bored thing....remember, you are not at their wedding to be entertained, you are a contracted business at wedding sto do a hired job...IF you find yourself bored and not into the videography or editing, that will show on the DVD, and the last thing you want to do is give your client a product that is either below or right at their expectations, you always want to exceed them. another option might be if you like the video/film world but weddings are still too "boring" to you, then maybe try something different like school events, or corporate promo DVDs, etc...
Just checked the wedding highlights reel...
Well, the slow mo is rough. Slow motion is great for emotional parts, but it loses its emotional effect when you use it for the whole thing.
Also, you slowed it down too much, where you can see clearly where frames hang for too long...looks like 5fps, which would be around 16% which is way to slow, you shouldnt ever go below 30%, unless you are shooting in 60fps originally, but it looks like your footage was either 30fps to begin with, or if it was 60, then you slowed it down to like 7 or 8% which is why it is so glitchy.
Anyway, always shoot weddings in 60p, this will allow for slow motion on anything when you edit, at 30% or 40% creating ultra smooth slow-mo and no unwanted frame holds.
Just some advice from a long time wedding videographer. Hope that helps. If you dont have a camera that can shoot higher than 30fps, then i would never go below 40% slowed speed in editing.
::: Connor
P.S. - About the getting bored thing....remember, you are not at their wedding to be entertained, you are a contracted business at wedding sto do a hired job...IF you find yourself bored and not into the videography or editing, that will show on the DVD, and the last thing you want to do is give your client a product that is either below or right at their expectations, you always want to exceed them. another option might be if you like the video/film world but weddings are still too "boring" to you, then maybe try something different like school events, or corporate promo DVDs, etc...
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CORUSA Design
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Oh yeah...also, for love stories, you said you ran out of time, but usually that stuff is filmed about 2 months before the actual wedding so you can show it at the rehearsal dinner.
At least that is what we do, we rent large screens (9'x12') and a 2,000 lumen projector, and do the love story DVD, project it at the rehearsal dinner, then when the actual wedding video is finished (4-6 weeks later), we put that on the DVD as a separate menu button, so they can watch it all together without having to find their old DVD.
also make sure you try to give them a whole package...you can buy DVD cases with the plastic sleeves really cheap then design case inserts. I do all ours in Macromedia Fireworks, example...
http://www.corusa.com/images/dvdcase_wedding.jpg
http://www.corusa.com/images/dvdcase_school.jpg
TO make good cases you need to take high quality photos since you are working on a 3000 pixel canvas to get a HQ print when finalized. We use a Canon 20D for stills that we can either input into the video and/or use for case design.
::: Connor
At least that is what we do, we rent large screens (9'x12') and a 2,000 lumen projector, and do the love story DVD, project it at the rehearsal dinner, then when the actual wedding video is finished (4-6 weeks later), we put that on the DVD as a separate menu button, so they can watch it all together without having to find their old DVD.
also make sure you try to give them a whole package...you can buy DVD cases with the plastic sleeves really cheap then design case inserts. I do all ours in Macromedia Fireworks, example...
http://www.corusa.com/images/dvdcase_wedding.jpg
http://www.corusa.com/images/dvdcase_school.jpg
TO make good cases you need to take high quality photos since you are working on a 3000 pixel canvas to get a HQ print when finalized. We use a Canon 20D for stills that we can either input into the video and/or use for case design.
::: Connor
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mystico
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Thanks for all the suggestions. The footage was shot in 24p and originally slowed down to about 40%. That resulted in jerkiness so I slowed it to 60/70% instead. I now plan to shoot in 30p to avoid all that.
As for the Love Story, I arrived in the city where this was to be shot on the day before. This was a freebie for my niece and to give me the experience. I've since learned, as you suggested, to at least offer to do this in advance so it can be shown at the reception. Right now that's an option on my wedding packages though. I have an Epson R200 and use its included software for disc printing. I use Meritline's disc inserts and their printing software as well. That gives me results equivalent to what's shown on your site. I plan to redesign my site to include disc and case art so potential clients get a better idea of what to expect.
Thanks again ...
As for the Love Story, I arrived in the city where this was to be shot on the day before. This was a freebie for my niece and to give me the experience. I've since learned, as you suggested, to at least offer to do this in advance so it can be shown at the reception. Right now that's an option on my wedding packages though. I have an Epson R200 and use its included software for disc printing. I use Meritline's disc inserts and their printing software as well. That gives me results equivalent to what's shown on your site. I plan to redesign my site to include disc and case art so potential clients get a better idea of what to expect.
Thanks again ...