"We appreciate your continued correspondence. . . "

I think that the people on these boards are a small but vocal minority. Canon has a long term strategy in this area that may not please many prospective filmmakers.

I may buy the 5D but, if I were a betting man, I would put my money on Nikon making a big play here. They have nothing to lose by putting out a great product.

There will be enough people like Lee to do some damage to the 5D brand.

Either way, I am excited to have such great gear. I would prefer that it was from Canon so I could keep my lens investment, but we'll see how it goes.

I wrote about it here..
 
You can put those bastards up in court! How dare them to ignore your messages after they clearly stated at least a dozen times that they "appreciate your continued correspondence" ?!

:D
 
Canon doesn't want to shoot thier video camera line in the foot so most likley they will implement large snesors in their future video cameras. The only problem with this is that it's much more expensive to produce lenses for large sensors than smaller "video sensors". Putting an EF mount on these cameras doesn't really solve this problem because a lot of videographers are just looking for one fast lens that covers a large focal distance and not having to swap out fast primes.
 
I hope to G-d Nikon can get off their Collective ASSES! and come up with something that far surpasses the 5D MK II and can take full advantage of the Superior Nikon Glass!

The more I think about it the happier and happier I am that Canon is treating us like shyte and tooling us around! :)
 
"With it activated, photographers and videographers
can capture high definition video
with depth-of-field control found only in
professional video models—using much more
affordable Canon EF lenses including fisheye,
ultra-wide, and image stabilized lenses."


Where does it say "you can control the iris manually"... It doesn't..

The fact that you interoperated like so is not canon's fault. They offer you the tools to achieve DOF found only in high end HD cameras, like a 300mm 2.8L, or how about a 600mm...Do you think the camera is going to close up the iris so much on a lens like that that there will be no shallow DOF?? Doubt it.

I'm all for manual controls, but legalities are legalities. It doesn't say: you can control the iris manually lol
 
Eric Papa said:
Where does it say "you can control the iris manually"... It doesn't..
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No one has claimed that the literature states you can control the iris manually.


Eric Papa said:
They offer you the tools to achieve DOF found only in high end HD cameras . .
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Wonderful technique, your skills in equivocation are bordering on the Canonical™. :)

Your trick of swapping 'control' with 'achieve' strikes me as the work of a man who has either not read the whole thread, or done so and not understood the central argument - I don't entirely blame you as it's a long, repetitive and frustrating read !

Eric Papa said:
. . . like a 300mm 2.8L, or how about a 600mm... Do you think the camera is going to close up the iris so much on a lens like that that there will be no shallow DOF?? Doubt it.
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Wheather the camera closes up the iris or not is irrelevant, the issue is that you cannot control that DOF.

Of course you have chosen a couple of lenses that will inherently have a shallow depth of field (and still with no control over the DOF), the same problem exists with wide and mid primes and zooms, 24mm f1.4 / 50mm f1.4 / 85mm f1.4 / 85mm f1.2 etc etc - do I think the camera is going to close up the iris so much on a lenses like these that there will be no shallow DOF ? - yes ! Not only do I think it, I know it ! Try and use the lovely Canon 85mm f1.2 in daylight and watch the 5D choose it's smallest aperture - f16 - every time.


Eric Papa said:
I'm all for manual controls, but legalities are legalities. It doesn't say: you can control the iris manually lol
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Like I say, no one has claimed that Canon state you can control the iris manually in their literature.

So this leads to the obvious question, how you would control the depth of field ?
 
I just tested out the 85mm and yes I DO see what you mean. There is still some shallow DOF even at f16 but yea I wonder what their thinking was with that move?
 
Eric Papa said:
I just tested out the 85mm and yes I DO see what you mean. There is still some shallow DOF even at f16 but yea I wonder what their thinking was with that move?
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Who knows !? I tend to go with the theory that says the video functionality was limited (severely limited) to stop it impacting on Canon camcorder sales.

So . . . . you buy the very very nice 85mm/f1.2, but can't get anything other than what the camera (in video mode) chooses - and in daylight that is rarely going to be anything other than plain old f16. :(

Of course there are workarounds, pointing the camera into dark corners and locking the exposure on every single shoot (hoping the shutter speed stays the same), stacking ND filters, the trick of loosening the lens or taping over the contacts and so on.

A question for you, how would you normally control the depth of field ('normally' here meaning on a camera that has not had all it's control disabled). ?
 
Lee Wilson said:
Who knows !? I tend to go with the theory that says the video functionality was limited (severely limited) to stop it impacting on Canon camcorder sales.

A question for you, how would you normally control the depth of field ('normally' here meaning on a camera that has not had all it's control disabled). ?
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When I do photography I'll use high f stops like that sometimes. I don't always need shallow DOF, and the lens produces great results closed up somewhat.

You just rotate the thumb dial and control the fstop in photography mode.

How are you locking the exposure?
 
Lee Wilson said:
So you would control DOF by using the aperture ?
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haha yea of course - is this a trick question?


However if I'm stuck at f16 I guess I have to move the camera closer and the background further lol.

Im not stressing though, I have a music video on Friday and a commercial on Sunday. I plan on using this cam for both - so its paid for. I think it will still make great images despite all the restrictions..

LOL canon makes a great camera body and Nikon lens sales go up! Nice move canon lol.
 
Eric Papa said:
haha yea of course - is this a trick question?
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Not a trick question as such, more of a leading question ! :)

So, if you were to read the phrase "depth-of-field control found only in professional video models" in Sony's brouchure for their latest video device, what would you interpret this as meaning ?



Eric Papa said:
However if I'm stuck at f16 I guess I have to move the camera closer and the background further.
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Would you consider this - the kind 'depth-of-field control found only in professional video models' ?
 
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