Vimeos new Copyright Match

I use a Drop Box... from where I expect my clients will download the file and share it or the link, with those that also need it.

I am happy to deliver small file size previews that way to ensure that the final edits are previewed properly (later ) at my suite on broadcast monitors.
 
Shooter said:
I use a Drop Box... from where I expect my clients will download the file and share it or the link, with those that also need it.

I am happy to deliver small file size previews that way to ensure that the final edits are previewed properly (later ) at my suite on broadcast monitors.
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+1.

Dropbox, Copy, Google Drive.

There are a plethora of alternatives.
 
I legally buy royalty free music and youtube still flags warnings on me! Anyone else have this happen? I guess the same will start happening with vimeo.
 
Yep - same thing here.
When it happens, I write back with the licensing info (date/license #/etc.) and that solves the problem and the flag is removed.
 
I was kind of pleased that a video of the tribute band I am in got flagged by YouTube. So close it identified the song and composer. We're using it as an endorsement. So close even YouTube can't spot the difference!
 
The biggest problem with vimeo is that it doesn't have ads, so they can't do what youtube usually does: put an ad on the video, and give the money to the copyright holder (the copyright holder can also choose to forget about that money and get the video taken down, but I think this rarely happens; I posted this three years ago, it was flagged the first day, it has 630K views and it is still there). Without that, it can only take the video down. Which means bye bye vimeo for a very, very big chunk of its users (it's full of demo reels, wedding videos, short films, etc, which I doubt will be able to proove they have the rights for the music they used).

The main reason I used vimeo was to use whatever music I want in my just-for-fun videos (like this one I posted yesterday). I don't get anything but joy from those, and I always credit the music.
This change may force me to use music from audiojungle for those videos, but I won't post them in vimeo. Since it's 720p only for non-paying users, now it doesn't look a lot better than youtube, it is a bigger pain in terms of copyright, it only allows me to upload one HD video per week, and on top of all that it reaches far fewer people.

BTW I've had youtube flag both a video that used a public domain song (some early jazz), and one of a concert where a band was playing a cover song.
 
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How about hosting the video on your own website, like in the good ol' days? Somehow I managed to do it back when you were supposed to put up like six versions: Quicktime, Windows Media Player, and Real Player, with a high- and low-quality version for each. So tedious. Nowadays it's easier than ever, with the HTML 5 Video tag.
 
firehawk said:
I legally buy royalty free music and youtube still flags warnings on me! Anyone else have this happen? I guess the same will start happening with vimeo.
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"Royalty Free" does not mean "Copyright Free." It means there are no on-going per-performance royalties due after payment of the original licensing fee.
 
Steve House said:
"Royalty Free" does not mean "Copyright Free." It means there are no on-going per-performance royalties due after payment of the original licensing fee.
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Maybe so. However, when I have PAID the 'original licensing fee' and STILL have it
pulled down as 'violating copyright'.....that is when I have an issue. Alternatively,
when I am using a 'lo fi/watermarked' track expressly provided for that purpose and
try to use it for client approval but have it also pulled.....again I have an issue.
This method assumes you are a 'violater' until you prove otherwise.
 
alaskacameradude said:
Maybe so. However, when I have PAID the 'original licensing fee' and STILL have it
pulled down as 'violating copyright'.....that is when I have an issue. Alternatively,
when I am using a 'lo fi/watermarked' track expressly provided for that purpose and
try to use it for client approval but have it also pulled.....again I have an issue.
This method assumes you are a 'violater' until you prove otherwise.
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Absolutely right. I have had multiple videos taken down on youtube even after supplying them with a valid user license and receipt. There has to be a better way. I list all the pertinent licensing information in my video description and they still can't get it right. Which brings up the question "what exactly are you getting when you purchase a music license?" In my case a bunch of hassle.
 
combatentropy said:
I think it's a step in the wrong direction. Copyright works best when held very loosely, if at all. When taken as an absolute, society locks up. For example (and these are real questions I wrestled with when I used to take Copyright as an absolute, natural right, like do not murder, instead of a moderate, artificial right invented in the 1600s to avoid the situation where nobody bothered to publish anything because they would always go out of business).
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Definitely a step in the wrong direction... rather than The Industry come up with a coherent and 'easy' to use NickelSnatcher system for 'sync rights', this piecemeal approach looks to be adding even more burden on the 'content' creator, especially for those who use the service to get client approval or 'spec' works.

The result will not be 'good' for Vimeo from the 'pro' point of view.

As a note, from the comments of others... it may be as simple as 'noising' up the music track, perhaps just in a few places, or laying dialog/soundFX and the 'matching function' fails...
 
Shooter said:
I use a Drop Box... from where I expect my clients will download the file and share it or the link, with those that also need it.

I am happy to deliver small file size previews that way to ensure that the final edits are previewed properly (later ) at my suite on broadcast monitors.
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mcgeedigital said:
+1.

Dropbox, Copy, Google Drive.

There are a plethora of alternatives.
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But that doesn't work if they are on the go and need to watch it on a phone or something.
 
Maybe I'll just start using sync audio and skip music all together... that'll be cool and save a lot of time usually spent on finding the right track with the right mood for each video. Well, I guess I'll have to thank Vimeo for making my life easier then...
 
Looks like they have just temporarily suspended the copyright match for private videos in plus/pro accounts.
That would be thanks to the many comments of users like yourselves on their blog.
 
Steve House said:
"Royalty Free" does not mean "Copyright Free." It means there are no on-going per-performance royalties due after payment of the original licensing fee.
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True yes. And the licensing varies on royalty free music. But what I'm taking about is the royalty free music I bought with the license once to use in any project(s) multiple times with no further licensing needed. Music is a near constant hassle
 
That make me bring another question: I've used a song from mobygratis.com, under liscense and I've never got asked about it. I think I wrote about it on the description, but nothing more.
I plan to use another one of his song in my next project. I wonder if it will be still ok then.
 
Personally I think this is a great thing. I've lost plenty of work to people who have no care at all about copyright clearances with music. I've had clients ask to use popular music, and when I tell them it's not possible to license it within their budget, they say "ok, I'll get xxxxxxxx to do it because he'll use whatever music I want." Wedding videos and surf videos are two of my main markets and they are both plagued by operators who will knowingly and willingly disregard copyright law at the expense of those who won't.

Vimeo seems to be dealing with the legitimate concerns of their users regarding the new copyright match service (looks like they've suspended the service for private videos until the finer details are resolved), and if they continue to support their actual users in this way, then it should work out well for those who depend on the service most and who use it appropriately.
 
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