Vimeo compression have changed. Please help change it back.

Re Resolutions... why is it so important? OK I know why it is so important but IF you insist on a 1080P and the person trying to watch is on an iPhone on a very slow connection is it better they see an SD version or better that they see nothing?

What if the person viewing only has a lower res screen?

Do you want to stop people seeing your video because they don't have hardware or an internet feed that is good enough?

Depending where I am will depend on the resolution I use to view:
There is a world of difference between my 24" Screen(s) on my MAC Pro on a 1 GB Ethernet with a 40Gb Internet feed
and
my 3.5" screen on my (old) phone on wifi in a StarBucks where I am sharing the feed with 30 other people who are on line.


It seems Vimeo has handled it in a clumsy way but hopefully with customer feedback Vimeo can cone to a sensible and more pragmatic answer that most people like.
 
oron cohen said:
..... "Unfortunately, adaptive streaming is the future of Vimeo’s streaming capabilities and we completely understand your hesitation if you content is not displaying as you’d like it to.".....
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I would think that if Vimeo thought this is a good thing, they would not use that word. Apparently, even Vimeo doesn't like it.
 
alohype said:
I'm not a member but was considering it for the same reason. I was hoping they will be first with new codecs like h.265 or VP9 that will give more image data/resolution with same bandwidth instead they've chosen worst approach. But don't worry, I would say that 90% of users have chosen Vimeo for that so if everyone or most will send them e-mails they will quickly change their strategy.
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Talking about image date/resolution, I will actually prefer more colour depth and less compression in 1080p then going 4K but with less colour depth and lower data rates.
 
jagraphics said:
Re Resolutions... why is it so important? OK I know why it is so important but IF you insist on a 1080P and the person trying to watch is on an iPhone on a very slow connection is it better they see an SD version or better that they see nothing?

What if the person viewing only has a lower res screen?

Do you want to stop people seeing your video because they don't have hardware or an internet feed that is good enough?

Depending where I am will depend on the resolution I use to view:
There is a world of difference between my 24" Screen(s) on my MAC Pro on a 1 GB Ethernet with a 40Gb Internet feed
and
my 3.5" screen on my (old) phone on wifi in a StarBucks where I am sharing the feed with 30 other people who are on line.


It seems Vimeo has handled it in a clumsy way but hopefully with customer feedback Vimeo can cone to a sensible and more pragmatic answer that most people like.
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Hey Jagraphics,

It think there is a bit of misunderstanding here, what we all ask and want and got till late is that when someone is playing our video we can decide that it will be played 1080p, if the individual in question can't load the video because it's to heavy on his system he has the option to choose a LOWER resolution no problem at all.

So again to clarify, I opted that my video will be forced played at 1080p every time someone is playing it, so I know every time someone is pressing play, it will start playing in 1080p, say the individual feel it's too laggy or it takes way to long to load, so he could opt to use a lower resolution say 720p, this is what we had till now.

Now what they did is that someone is playing my video and I have no idea in what resolution it's going to play, and they also added very low resolutions like 360p even 240p.

I think 640 (old SD resolution they have, is low enough for anyone), also bare in mind, the crowd that is in Vimeo is not Youtube crowd, you have Youtube for that, it's more for professionals and people want to share their work in the highest quality possible.
 
I agree. This way the viewer has to change the resolution themselves, and as a result, are aware that they are watching a lower quality. But if Vimeo makes their own decisions about resolution size, the viewer may never think about it and may assume this is what it is.
 
Hi Oran,

Thanks for the clarifications. I agree with you on all points.

I agree that there is no reason to go below SD. "Everything" should be able to play 640. (360 and 240 are ridiculously low res these days) and it should be up to the user to select a lower resolution. Perhaps Vimeo could let the owner select a *minimum* play resolution? Then the viewer could select a lower resolution down to that limit and decide if to struggle watching or save to "watch later"a and watch when they have a better connection.

Also you are right that Vimeo is aimed at a different market to You Tube, though looking at some of the things arriving on Vimeo recently and clearly shot on phones (the vertical letterbox and a lot of rapid jerky movement) Vimeo is tending to YouTube.... Though to be fair it does have a long way to fall to be in the same ball park.
 
A good 640x360 is far better than a 1080 that stutters and has macroblocks. What they should do is let you set the default for "unlimited" connections that can use your default, and automatically sense (through numerous requests to resend packets) when it needs to switch to a lower resolution. Quicktime live streams used to do this (not sure if there are any QT streams going on anymore), but they also used a client to play them. It's probably the best workable solution to keep people happy.

That said, they need to work on their encoding, no longer can the do fastest rendering for the lower bit rate streams, they really need to go through a multipass high quality rendering to prepare the lower resolution streams so they look good, this is one place where Youtube falls down, but I guess what do you want for free? And yes I do live stream to Youtube out of our studio, currently the only thing we can send is the student newscasts because we (they) own all content and the little bit of production music has a license that let's us use it this way. There are a few more that I want to see live, but the licensing for the content really seems to promote piracy! Try licensing film promos and clips for a movie review show and you'll see what I mean.

Speaking of that, time to send an email off to the MPAA and see if they can help us (yeah, good luck).

[edit] typing while the above post was made, we suggest similar "fixes"
 
I guess no real benefit of buying the plus membership or keeping it for that matter?

I will stick with youtube. Sad but the average consumer does not go on to these things to grade the quality of the visuals but for the content itself.
 
Chris Santucci said:
Check out vzaar.com

I left vimeo pro 4 years ago and don't miss it at all.


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Thanks mate!

Checking them out now.

EDIT: This looks really good. Just got a nice package with them for two hundred and forty bucks for a year. A little more than Vimeo Pro, but for more services.
Yeah, this is better for professional applications.
Vimeo is nothing but YouTube without commercials now.
 
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DPStewart said:
Thanks mate!

Checking them out now.

EDIT: This looks really good. Just got a nice package with them for a whopping forty bucks for a year. (*sarcasm* it's really cheap.)
Yeah, this is better for professional applications.
Vimeo is nothing but YouTube without commercials now.
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Where do you see $40/year?
 
The only thing that YouTube doesn't do is replaceable videos, this for big/pro users I find quite an oversight.

The Vzaar looks good, if you are integrating your videos to your own hosting.
 
reem12 said:
I guess no real benefit of buying the plus membership or keeping it for that matter?

I will stick with youtube. Sad but the average consumer does not go on to these things to grade the quality of the visuals but for the content itself.
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This. unless you are making pixel peeping camera reviews for other pixel peepers.
 
curious how anyone who has been a heavy user of vimeo/youtube/etc... has made the move to another platform like vzaar?

Have you tried to change over all backlinks to the new site? do you try and break all connections to the 'old' host?

And by heavy user, i mean more than 100 videos, lots of links around the web, embedded on sites, etc...
 
I just discovered Vimeo actually disabled buffering, you can only buffer up to 5 seconds of video! (unless I'm doing something wrong).

What does that mean? I wanted to view a 4K video on a 27" iMac, (Vimeo of course didn't play it in 4K), in fact Vimeo doesn't tell you in what resolution you're watching the video at all now!! they call it "good enough resolution", anyways, I've decided to click the HD button (which is actually to toggle resolutions) and choose manually 4K, then I paused the video waiting for it to buffer, but it didn't, it only buffered for 5 seconds then stopped, so I couldn't watch the video in 4K, as it wasn't enough buffering!

At least with Youtube, they allow you to choose 4K and then you can wait for a bit for it to buffer.

So people bare in mind, that because Vimeo streaming is slow (it was always slow), if you upload a video in 4K most chances are that a lot of people couldn't watch it even if the choose to watch it manually in 4K as Vimeo won't let them buffer it before hand, only option for them will be to download the original file.

Please share this info with other people.
 
Have just sent them my complaint... timing for me might be relevant since my renewal was fairly recent and believe I may be able to cancel before 30 days. Ugh.
 
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