Viewing, Voting & Reviewing - A Discussion

Cynic821 said:
I dont think youve ever read a thread and not commented Brandon. ;)
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hehe. Believe it or not, I have :) I am a FAST reader! :) Anyway... I hope the point was not lost... and let's get back to talking about viewing, reviewing, & voting methods... :thumbsup:
 
Jazz Dog said:
... I worked hard on my film and pissed my wife off a lot so hopefully people will enjoy it....
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Don't you know it!
...Oh, sh*t, I still have to wash the blood spatter off the ceiling! :shocked:

No, really, my wfie has been EXCEPTIONAL throughout the whole thing, AND A BIG, BIG HELP.

msconce said:
I desperately hope that the voters actually vote for every film on their scorecard, because in the last contest some AMAZING films did not even make the top 15, and I think it was because people simply did not vote for them on their sheet. Vote for every film so this can be a fair an awesome process for all! If you leave a movie blank, then it is like they received a zero in everything in comparison to the ones you voted on. They will not be given a zero, but they will be given "No Points" since you gave them none, which comes out to the same thing.
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Winning an HVX would be nice, but I used this festival as a deadline to get my ass up and do something! This is my first REAL film. I hope that I can place a good number, but just to have people taking a look at my little film and getting some constructive feedback is what it's all about.

I'm not here to criticize the powers that be. I mean, nothing has OFFICIALLY been announced as far as the voting process. But I do agree the current process needs to be revised, especially with SO MANY films involved.

And the thought of somebody watching less than all the films and those films that he/she didn't watch automatically score zeros, well, that feels far from fair.

BUT...

with the way this contest was set up, ESPECIALLY with the promotion aspect, what you have here is an honest to God REAL LIFE situation.

The scenario is this: all these films are being released on the same day. And whomever takes the box office is probably going to win. That's about as industry as you can get. Hopefully, you promoted your ass off!


John G.
 
cinealma said:
Don't you know it!
...Oh, sh*t, I still have to wash the blood spatter off the ceiling! :shocked:

No, really, my wfie has been EXCEPTIONAL throughout the whole thing, AND A BIG, BIG HELP.



Winning an HVX would be nice, but I used this festival as a deadline to get my ass up and do something! This is my first REAL film. I hope that I can place a good number, but just to have people taking a look at my little film and getting some constructive feedback is what it's all about.

I'm not here to criticize the powers that be. I mean, nothing has OFFICIALLY been announced as far as the voting process. But I do agree the current process needs to be revised, especially with SO MANY films involved.

And the thought of somebody watching less than all the films and those films that he/she didn't watch automatically score zeros, well, that feels far from fair.

BUT...

with the way this contest was set up, ESPECIALLY with the promotion aspect, what you have here is an honest to God REAL LIFE situation.

The scenario is this: all these films are being released on the same day. And whomever takes the box office is probably going to win. That's about as industry as you can get. Hopefully, you promoted your ass off!


John G.
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Excellent point! :thumbup:
 
cinealma said:
Winning an HVX would be nice, but I used this festival as a deadline to get my ass up and do something! This is my first REAL film. I hope that I can place a good number, but just to have people taking a look at my little film and getting some constructive feedback is what it's all about.
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Absolutely! The Sci-Fest earlier this year made me get serious about making films, and I haven't stopped since... it spurred me on to even greater things! :)
 
cinealma said:
Don't you know it!
...Oh, sh*t, I still have to wash the blood spatter off the ceiling! :shocked:

No, really, my wfie has been EXCEPTIONAL throughout the whole thing, AND A BIG, BIG HELP.



Winning an HVX would be nice, but I used this festival as a deadline to get my ass up and do something! This is my first REAL film. I hope that I can place a good number, but just to have people taking a look at my little film and getting some constructive feedback is what it's all about.

I'm not here to criticize the powers that be. I mean, nothing has OFFICIALLY been announced as far as the voting process. But I do agree the current process needs to be revised, especially with SO MANY films involved.

And the thought of somebody watching less than all the films and those films that he/she didn't watch automatically score zeros, well, that feels far from fair.

BUT...

with the way this contest was set up, ESPECIALLY with the promotion aspect, what you have here is an honest to God REAL LIFE situation.

The scenario is this: all these films are being released on the same day. And whomever takes the box office is probably going to win. That's about as industry as you can get. Hopefully, you promoted your ass off!


John G.
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IMO thats just aweful. Thats like entering the olympics and not getting a medal because no one watches your event.
 
I think being able to do a little pr and hyping up your film is an awesome idea.

I also believe that extending the viewing/voting period would be a good idea. It seems (although I cannot compare to past fests) that there are more entries this go round. Even if not, there are a lot (However many end up getting actually submitted on time). Anyways, that does seem like a good idea. Maybe that will be best judged when all of the submissions are in, and the powers can be can make a realistic assessment of how long the viewing/voting period needs to be, to encourage the greatest number of films watched, reviewed and voted on as possible by each person.
10 an hour seems a bit unrealistic, however. Keep in mind that you still have to download those flicks before you can watch them. Unless I am not understanding how that part of the process is going to work.
Anyways, I am looking at 512k satellite internet out here in the boondockies which translates to roughly 4 megs/min. download speed. I would like to view as many as possible.
Anyways, I would just like to say, as a first time observer in the fests here on dvxuser, that I think for the most part, it was set up very well. I look forward to being able to participate in the next one.
Assessing the voting period length once all submissions are in, I think would be a really good thing. Find the best balance, to allow everyone to watch as many films as possible, so people get ample airtime, not just the one's that are garnering early notoriety. There's always those sleeper hits that win oscars (or in this case hvx's) :)
That's my 2 cents.... err looking back maybe 10 cents

Jason
 
I'm actually with Matt on this one. If you took the time to promote your flick,
yeah, I'm going to watch it. If you spent absolutely no effort to let me know
you are out there, I will watch it when the dvd comes out.

If you are interested, and I mean INTERESTED in filmmaking and want to make
a go of it, then don't sit there quietly,

STAND UP

and get noticed. So for every banner plugged and every individual who put up
screen grabs and such, yeah, I WILL watch your film and I WILL vote for you
one way or another.

So yeah, Jack, mascone, theatre, brandon, and the rest, your efforts are noticed
because, well, you made an effort. Is it any different in a film festival? You think
people will watch your short just because you're there?

Good job on those who have finished and keep plugging for those who have
not. Good luck to everyone.
 
I cant imagine a contest where all the movies are not viewed. The idea of it being ok to vote without having watched every movie is rediculous in my opinion. I always thought a set of judges who are not participating would be best.

As far as projects go that involve multiple DVXUser's on here, they are already going to get multiple votes for their movie, as well as being able to evenly strategize their voting to make sure even if they all agree on a movie being the winner, they can all vote for a different one as a favorite, so the best competition doesnt get the true votes they would think...

Call me a Cynic if you want, but unfortunatly, especially as dood stated earlier, this is as REAL as it gets. And if you think it being real is good, then stuff like i mentioned comes along with it.
 
Charli said:
Is it any different in a film festival? You think
people will watch your short just because you're there?
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Great point! Promotion at a film festival is a huge deal. I agree 100% with what you said...
 
I think for every contest I tried to watch them all and only the sci fi fest was the only one I was able to since it didn't have as many entries. Brandon, you forgot to add download times into your math. It will take twice that amount of time to get them and view. I agree with cynic about the voting on the last contest, it seemed a popularity contest and no numbers were ever produced that time even though everyone asked for them. It was nice to see where people thought you were weakest so you could work on that with the previous contest when all the numbers were produced. I usually view in the order they show up in the link to make it fair and so i can keep track of where I'm up to.
 
Ah true Aram, I didn't take into account voting time... Very true. BTW: Sci-fest had over 60 entries... I think we'll see that, or a little more this time around... I DOUBT there will be 100 or more submitted in time... Anyway, whatever did happen with herofest? Did the final votes ever get posted?
 
I'm gunna try and watch them all. I don't think it will be too hard since I can probably get in like 15 a day, ill manage that when I really know how many movies are out there.
 
The opening is OCT 1st right? Is that when they will start being available for viewing?

GC

BTW Brandon, I am expecting something very technically superior from you!
:)
 
I'd ideally like to watch all the films once with out voting, then rewatch them and vote. I won't have the time to do that so I'll most likely watch them in order in which they are posted and vote as I go along. You should be able to edit your vote after you've voted. The fourth movie that's watched could be "really good" and given a 9. Then after you get up to 17, you realize that many others are equally quality with the 4th one watched which you gave a 9 too, making a 9 seem high for a film that doesn't stand out as much as a 9 should.

I plan on watching them all once and voting one way or another for the film, regardless of promotion. Some people don't have time nor the photoshop ability to come up with a stunning poster or banner. I through mine (unrelenting) together in about 15 minutes one afternoon and meant to make another, but didn't have the time. I don't think that lack of promotion means that people aren't as dedicated towards their 6 minute horror film than someone who made threads the first day and said basically nothing for a month. There were a lot of threads that were made early and have very little updates in them, 6 pages of worthless clutter than some BTS or stills or an update, then 8 more pages of clutter than a another shot. Things like that are keeping those threads at the top of the page and are seen 10 times a day. In actuallity it's not really promoting the movie and letting people know what is going on with it, so threads with 1948 pages doesn't necessarily mean they had the most movie related content in it promoting the movie.

I'm looking forward to all of movies, some more than others but I'm going to view them all and give an honest vote and possibly review. I'm hoping for some really good storylines.

In an unrelated note, if I have time tomorrow and think of something, I may shoot something. It probably won't have the best story, since I'll be making it up as I go along and I don't know how many actors/actresses I'll have.
 
Brandon Rice said:
Great point! Promotion at a film festival is a huge deal. I agree 100% with what you said...
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True, but the audience isn't do the judging. (There are "audience awards", I know).

I feel there are two options here:

1. Get outside judges. For future contests, get some selected "pros" to judge it. HorrorFest could have had a former scream queen, a director, a low-budget SFX guy and self-claimed "#1 horror fan"... a line-up something like that, maybe.

2. Do the Amazon fests thing: As a user, you sign up to participate in the voting and you randomly get a film, or for this forum maybe 5 or 6 films, to watch and judge. That way its more realistic for all films to be watched by everybody participating in the judging.

OR...

If the voting is kept as is, how about each film you don't vote on automatically gets 10's, not 0's! :)


John G.
 
cinealma said:
1. Get outside judges. For future contests, get some selected "pros" to judge it. HorrorFest could have had a former scream queen, a director, a low-budget SFX guy and self-claimed "#1 horror fan"... a line-up something like that, maybe.
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As long as I'm a judge! :thumbsup: :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
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