Very nice 720/60P footage

The focusing devices? You mean your hand? The thing has focus assist and auto focus, after that it comes down to how skilled you are.
 
I wish there were more clips with the stock lens. Most clips seem to be with lenses other than the kit.
 
Ken7 said:
I wish there were more clips with the stock lens. Most clips seem to be with lenses other than the kit.
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A lot of those older lenses have better glass then todays mass produced material.



However I hear that the stock lens is quite optically good. Slow ( f4 ) but other than that, good.


Aside for that, the above footage shows good 60P.....
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Ben_B said:
The focusing devices? You mean your hand? The thing has focus assist and auto focus, after that it comes down to how skilled you are.
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I meant LCD to actually see if you are in focus.

A lot of the clips that look soft are just out of focus.

With a shallow DOF focusing becomes more difficult. That is why in most productions a monitor is used.

From what I understand neither the GH1 nor the 5D have adequate monitoring systems.
 
what's up with listing the serial number of the camera? (look at the Vimeo page)

Are we becoming like RED users who list their number also?

funny.....
 
no production i have ever been on was focused to a monitor, it was focused (generally) with a measuring tape or if its a crazy moving shot, the camera operator's eyeball in the viewfinder. monitoring is just for that MONITORING. i have been around plenty of crappy monitors that make the whole image look out of focus no matter what you do.
 
I have been on productions focusing with a monitor, it is easier than tape for digital production. Focus assist (zoom in) on gh1 should be fine.
 
paulgandersman said:
i have been around plenty of crappy monitors that make the whole image look out of focus no matter what you do.
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So you either work on big budget film productions or according to your comment on "crappy monitors" no budget productions.
In the middle is the digital productions and for those I use a Panasonic 8" monitor. The best 2K I've ever spend.

Ben_B said:
I have been on productions focusing with a monitor, it is easier than tape for digital production. Focus assist (zoom in) on gh1 should be fine.
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I have seen great results using the camera's LCD, but I have also seen a lot of crap.
On a paid production you can't afford to risk it.
 
The EVF should be perfect for focusing. I like to isolate my vision from everything else around what I am shooting and that is why I shoot thru the viewfinder. That is the way it should be and precisely why Panasonic made shure to make it look the best. If somebody can't focus accurately with the GH1 EVF they should really have their eyes examined.
 
If the EVF is good then Why is the video at the beginning of this thread out of focus? Why are so many videos out of focus?
NO EVF IS TRUST WORTHY!!!! Only an HD monitor is good enough to view focus and color for that matter.
 
Douglas Villalba said:
If the EVF is good then Why is the video at the beginning of this thread out of focus?
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Well, we don't know whether whoever took these actually used the EVF (many people used to digital cameras probably use the screen).

With the expanded view focus assist there's no reason why you can't get perfect focus with the EVF. BUT the problem with that is that you can't use the focus assist when you're actually filming.
 
nathankw said:
Well, we don't know whether whoever took these actually used the EVF (many people used to digital cameras probably use the screen).

With the expanded view focus assist there's no reason why you can't get perfect focus with the EVF. BUT the problem with that is that you can't use the focus assist when you're actually filming.
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I have notice that in this threads there are a lot of people. Some want to shoot video for fun or as a hobby. Some of us would like to have the feature of a RED for a fraction of the price.
In my case I think that mayor factor to wait is that you can't use an adequate monitor for me and the clients.
You can spend thousands on a production and have to reshoot a scene because it was soft.
I could use a DSLR camera for something but not for others. That is why I have 4 different HD cameras. There is not a do all camera, but making sure that you have the shot can't be compromised.
 
Douglas Villalba said:
In my case I think that mayor factor to wait is that you can't use an adequate monitor for me and the clients.
You can spend thousands on a production and have to reshoot a scene because it was soft.
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This is a pretty critical issue and I've too noticed the amount of out of focus footage floating around. I just saw this piece which is in pretty sharp focus.

http://www.vimeo.com/5303730

I'm hoping that the large number of out of focus shots is just people who haven't read the manual or are being sloppy.
 
Isaac_Brody said:
This is a pretty critical issue and I've too noticed the amount of out of focus footage floating around. I just saw this piece which is in pretty sharp focus.

http://www.vimeo.com/5303730

I'm hoping that the large number of out of focus shots is just people who haven't read the manual or are being sloppy.
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Focusing has been a problem even for professionals since the beginning of HD in any HD camera. The critical focus on VDSLRs have made it more obvious.
I remember in the early days of HDTV most of the TV shows in HD were quite often out of focus. How can you prevent it? Using a good monitor.
In the days of Film you would use a tape measure, but with VDSLR and a few inches of DoF a tape is also useless.
 
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Umm, now I don't follow you. GH1 has the almost the same DoF as a 35mm film camera at same apertures, a tinsy bit deeper actually. Put on a prime lens with a good focus ring and you can tape measure exactly the same way as you would with a film camera. Add rails and a follow focus and it's business as usual for a AC.

Isaac_Brody said:
I'm hoping that the large number of out of focus shots is just people who haven't read the manual or are being sloppy.
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I was a bit tipsy actually after a friendly dinner when shooting 'Closing Time' so sloppy only begins to describe it - on top of not having read the manual. It was only a few days later I found that one can use the zoom focus assist with manual lenses to check focus points so I was using the EVF only in full image mode that night. Plus Canon lenses focus ring goes the other way of what I'm used to so I twisted the wrong way several times out of habit. And I'm not a camera man either, I'm a director/editor/motion graphics designer.

I'm sure a experienced shooter can get it working to near perfection with a bit of practice. Both the EVF and LCD are sharp as tack and the colours on both are pretty close to what I see back home on the computer screen. And if you need to review things precisely on set it does play back shots over HDMI with just two button pushes. I think that's how Kholi did on that Heineken shot that he had to retract the posts.
 
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