Variable frame rates of HVX200

saru

saru

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Hey guys.

Don't know if it's covered yet, but the specs on the variable frame rates was finally disclosed at the Digicam Performance Seminar held in Japan recently.

It's in 12 steps of, 1, 4, 8, 10, 12, 15, 24, 30, 36, 40, 48, 60 fps.
Well I know we're missing a lot of numbers here, like 22fps for kung fu action, or 25/50fps for PAL compatibility and so on :(
Also, those numbers don't match to the sentence we got on page 4 of the HVX200 new brochure...

"Lower-speed shooting at 4 to 23* fps let you attain fast-motion effect. This technique can be combined with warp-speed effect, special emphasis to flowing water, fast moving clouds."

"Higher-speed shooting at 25* to 60fps lets you attain slow-motion effect. This is especially effective for high-action scenes such as car chases or crashes, or for scenes with great dramatic impact."
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I hope it's wrong information. We really want TRUE variable frame rates from 1 to 60fps like Varicam, don't we?

The source
 
..cool thanks for sharing.

but about that scource .. what does it say by the asterisks..?

..i could find any follow up asterisk explanations, but i would guess those rates of 25p and 23p are only supported in the PAL version of the camera.
 
saru said:
I hope it's wrong information. We really want TRUE variable frame rates from 1 to 60fps like Varicam, don't we?
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Of course we do -- but we already know that's not going to happen. We've been told it will have "some" variable frame rates, not true single-step rates from 1 to 60. That's a feature that only exists on the $70,000 VariCam.

With that said, I have no idea if this post is accurate or not. I would tend to doubt it; I would expect that such information would be released on Panasonic's official website and not at some conference or on a BBS somewhere. And if it was released at a conference, I'd expect Panasonic's official website to be updated with the proper information. And it hasn't been. Therefore, I doubt the veracity of this report.

I wouldn't be surprised if those frame rates were accurate, but not all-inclusive (i.e., I'd bet that the camera's capable of all those frame rates, and probably more).

I'd say wait until IBC, where more info should be revealed.
 
bgundu said:
ooohhhhh Jan! You keep teasing us. When will be the official announcement?
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Yeah, I'm kinda wondering that myself. The exhibition part of IBC is September 9-13. That's less than 2 weeks. Frame rates and CCD specs have to be locked by now. Otherwise, any footage shown, if not shot with a finalized design (particularly with regard to CCD specs), is pretty meaningless. Panasonic has been very forthcoming about the other details. Why wait to release the last ones?
 
I do hope that report is bogus. Otherwise I'll be really dissapointed in a variable framerate camera with hardly any variable framerates I want to use.
 
1, 8, 12, 18, 22, 24, 26, 30, 36, 48, and 60 are the ones I would find most appealing.

1: stop-motion animation, time-lapse photography
8: Super-smeary dreamlike footage
12: Double-speed motion, I think this is the rate Rodriguez used for his fast-motion scenes in El Mariachi.
18: simulates the Keystone Kops/Charlie Chaplin old movie look
22: great for action films, where you want the action to be just a little faster than normal, very useful in karate films or fight sequences, etc
24: the look of film.
26: super-mild slow motion -- adds just a touch of gravity to a scene or an action. It's a very subtle effect but pretty cool. Makes things a little "larger than life."
30: mild slow-mo, works great on the DVX
36: moderate slow motion. Not too slow, but definitely obviously slow.
48: Now this is slow motion. Excellent for the "tombstone" shot or for the walking-away-from-the-explosion cliche shot
60: ultimate slow motion from a video camera. Also provides the "reality" look for 720p broadcasts, reality TV, news, events, etc.
 
I pretty much agree with Barry entirely here. Those would certainly be my ideal framerates for the HVX200.
 
Barry Green
48: Now this is slow motion. Excellent for the "tombstone" shot or for the walking-away-from-the-explosion cliche shot
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I think it should be a requirement that the first footage any new HVX user shoots is a cliche "Walking away from an explosion" scene. Maybe we can have a 15-30 second short festival consisting of the best ones.

~reservoir~
 
Hey guys.

The source site (translated by google, hard to read) I got info from has been reliable since the day DVX100 came out, because the moderator seems to have some connection with Pana Japan.

I have also spoken to a Pana sales guy and been told about the not-so-openly-advertised Seminar which was mainly focused on P2 workflow, though I didn't have chance to attend.

So I'm pretty sure it is accurate info.
But if it is accurate, I'm really disappointed. As Barry listed, we're missing some useful frame rates.

We never know, we've got to waaait !!
 
How important is shutter here. When I film 24 with dvx and put shutter on 250, i got real cool effect, specially in action scenes.
 
" important is shutter here. When I film 24 with dvx and put shutter on 250, i got real cool effect, specially in action scenes."

sorry wrong reply
 
Barry_Green said:
1, 8, 12, 18, 22, 24, 26, 30, 36, 48, and 60 are the ones I would find most appealing.

12: Double-speed motion, I think this is the rate Rodriguez used for his fast-motion scenes in El Mariachi.
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They did that in post, right?
 
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