Using Hateful 8 in 70mm to teach my kids about "film"

[cyclone]

Liked the film a lot (didn't LOVE it). What was great was telling my 2 boys to watch and appreciate the way films used to be made...on film.
Before the film started
I talked to them about grain,
I talked to them about latitude,
I talked to them about gate weave,
I talked to them about resolution (although the original neg is about 4K, I've heard the film is actually viewed at about 2K after you go through the original neg, to an IP, to a dupe neg, to a release print and then shoot it through a projector lens - although, having watched a "Show Print" last night, it may have been right off of the camera neg., but I find it very hard to believe that anyone would risk that).
The kids were most shocked at gate weave, noticing now the image was never fully rock steady.

As to the film (NO SPOILERS): I really liked the structure of the 70mm roadshow version: first half, lots of great Tarantino exposition and set up; 2nd half: the pay off (more action than 1st half). Acting could have been a bit stronger. Except for Jennifer Jason Leigh who just freakin' nails it!

 

[Guest]

I watch Star Wars in digital imax right before seeing hateful 8 in 70, and the quality of the film was lovely. I like the way film dances vs the hyper still frame and stationary pixels of digital. Sadly, i was not able to get to the theater early enough to grab the perfect viewing distance for starwars. Ended up close enough to see pixels. That was very annoying. I do like how vibrant digital can get, but was pleasantly surprised by the illumination of film. But.... Films are best viewed a bit more dimly, so that the dream like state can set in. So, the ultra bright projection is not exactly better, except for 3D.

I do love film. I may start synthesizing gate weave in my digital work. I have never shot motion film. Just grew up watching it.

 

[Guest]

It is great that you are able to share with your children first hand experience of film.

 

[cyclone]

It is great that you are able to share with your children first hand experience of film.

THAT, my friend, is a GREAT observation. Thank you for making it. I have to tell you (and this is a bit nuts), when the lights came up and the film was over, both of my boys really liked it (even my wife liked it, which blew me away - she only came because the boys said they wanted to see it). My son's are at the age where they don't want their dad telling them stuff and being a typical dad. So all I said was, "I know you guys think I'm going to blab about the film and film technique all the way home, but, other than to say that I REALLY liked it, I won't say anything more." But they couldn't hold it in and we, as a family, talked about the film (and film aesthetics) all the way home. It was amazing. The damn film actually brought the family together for an evening. It has become a memory for us. I still can't quite figure how it all happened. Maybe it was me shutting up - or maybe it's just a damn good film.

 

[Guest]

THAT, my friend, is a GREAT observation. Thank you for making it. I have to tell you (and this is a bit nuts), when the lights came up and the film was over, both of my boys really liked it (even my wife liked it, which blew me away - she only came because the boys said they wanted to see it). My son's are at the age where they don't want their dad telling them stuff and being a typical dad. So all I said was, "I know you guys think I'm going to blab about the film and film technique all the way home, but, other than to say that I REALLY liked it, I won't say anything more." But they couldn't hold it in and we, as a family, talked about the film (and film aesthetics) all the way home. It was amazing. The damn film actually brought the family together for an evening. It has become a memory for us. I still can't quite figure how it all happened. Maybe it was me shutting up - or maybe it's just a damn good film.

That is beautiful!

 

[combatentropy]

I feel in the minority here. I can't stand the gore and general attitude toward violence in Tarantino's work. I can't imagine taking my wife and (imaginary) kids to The Hateful Eight. That would not be a good, family memory.

 

[Guest]

I feel in the minority here. I can't stand the gore and general attitude toward violence in Tarantino's work. I can't imagine taking my wife and (imaginary) kids to The Hateful Eight. That would not be a good, family memory.

No, i think QT makes violence very uncomfortable to watch. Never has JJ or Michael Bay made me wince when someone died. i don't think anyone shooting on 70mm is reaching the masses. While i admit his films are violent, at least i hate the violence in his films. But news and most other films and many video games make violence easy. I have more of a distaste for easy to digest violence these days. I very much hate how news agencies capitalize on war and crime violence. But i guess we can all wish things were GI joe simple again, and we had an diffinitive enemy to establish the good ole good vs evil morality. Damn, sure nobody round these parts eats farmed steak. Mhmm! Gosh i love me some contradicting morality, just because something makes you uncomfortable, doesn't mean it disagrees with you. Well, lets just sweep the cuttings off the floor and call it a hotdog shall we? Let's just call it fair trade till we get bought out. Let just call it providing for my family. Life is violent at some point. People really do want you dead. People really do kill. People really do die. I guess it should just be funner, or more romantic, like the way it happens in good movies. (I know thisnis a rant and i will delete it in 24hrs)

 

[DPStewart]

No, i think QT makes violence very uncomfortable to watch. Never has JJ or Michael Bay made me wince when someone died. i don't think anyone shooting on 70mm is reaching the masses. While i admit his films are violent, at least i hate the violence in his films. But news and most other films and many video games make violence easy. I have more of a distaste for easy to digest violence these days. I very much hate how news agencies capitalize on war and crime violence. But i guess we can all wish things were GI joe simple again, and we had an diffinitive enemy to establish the good ole good vs evil morality. Damn, sure nobody round these parts eats farmed steak. Mhmm! Gosh i love me some contradicting morality, just because something makes you uncomfortable, doesn't mean it disagrees with you. Well, lets just sweep the cuttings off the floor and call it a hotdog shall we? Let's just call it fair trade till we get bought out. Let just call it providing for my family. Life is violent at some point. People really do want you dead. People really do kill. People really do die. I guess it should just be funner, or more romantic, like the way it happens in good movies. (I know thisnis a rant and i will delete it in 24hrs)

Too late.
I liked this rant.
I never put it into words as clear as this before, but I feel pretty much the EXACT same way about it.

Thanks James.

 

[keith.uk]

How old do you need to be to watch in the US? I think in the UK it's rated 18.

 

[Guest]

Too late.
I liked this rant.
I never put it into words as clear as this before, but I feel pretty much the EXACT same way about it.

Thanks James.

Thank you!

I hope that my words didn't seem too directed at Combatentropy, since i meant to say he is not in the minority in the sense that I think many people are made uncomfortable by the gore, in particular myself. QT films are just an easy target to a larger issue.

Combatentropy's posts are some of my favourites on this forum. I really like his ideas on camera ergonomics.

 

[cyclone]

No, i think QT makes violence very uncomfortable to watch. Never has JJ or Michael Bay made me wince when someone died.

The entire audience gasped at the first death in HATEFUL 8 - and just about any death thereafter, even though we all knew it was a QT film and death was inevitable. I jolted in my seat...and we all knew 5 minutes prior that it was coming. And it wasn't even that violent. It was a quick, sudden, non-bloody death - and the entire audience lived it (dichotomy intended).

 

[Gillvane]

No, i think QT makes violence very uncomfortable to watch. Never has JJ or Michael Bay made me wince when someone died. i don't think anyone shooting on 70mm is reaching the masses. While i admit his films are violent, at least i hate the violence in his films. But news and most other films and many video games make violence easy. I have more of a distaste for easy to digest violence these days. I very much hate how news agencies capitalize on war and crime violence. But i guess we can all wish things were GI joe simple again, and we had an diffinitive enemy to establish the good ole good vs evil morality. Damn, sure nobody round these parts eats farmed steak. Mhmm! Gosh i love me some contradicting morality, just because something makes you uncomfortable, doesn't mean it disagrees with you. Well, lets just sweep the cuttings off the floor and call it a hotdog shall we? Let's just call it fair trade till we get bought out. Let just call it providing for my family. Life is violent at some point. People really do want you dead. People really do kill. People really do die. I guess it should just be funner, or more romantic, like the way it happens in good movies. (I know thisnis a rant and i will delete it in 24hrs)

No politics allowed on dvxuser.

 

[cyclone]

No politics allowed on dvxuser.

Was that political? I thought it was just an opinion. Seriously, maybe I can't read the subtext. I think I need the difference explained to me for the purposes of this board so I don't exceed the limits.

 

[Gillvane]

Was that political? I thought it was just an opinion. Seriously, maybe I can't read the subtext. I think I need the difference explained to me for the purposes of this board so I don't exceed the limits.

The subtext is the police departments boycotting this film. You can google it since political discussions are not allowed on dvxuser, then read your post again on that context and I think you can see what I mean. I'm not a moderator and you can post whatever you like. It's just my opinion that this subject leads to politics which is verboten here.

 

[FrameFarmMedia]

The subtext is the police departments boycotting this film. You can google it since political discussions are not allowed on dvxuser, then read your post again on that context and I think you can see what I mean. I'm not a moderator and you can post whatever you like. It's just my opinion that this subject leads to politics which is verboten here.

This is a massive stretch and a dangerous precedent if the mods consider discussing the content of a film and audience reaction as politics.

 

[Guest]

The subtext is the police departments boycotting this film. You can google it since political discussions are not allowed on dvxuser, then read your post again on that context and I think you can see what I mean. I'm not a moderator and you can post whatever you like. It's just my opinion that this subject leads to politics which is verboten here.

I thought i was speaking plainly, certainly did not intend for subtext of any sort. It was a rant on how art and morality collide, but mostly it was about art. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Things like this surely can get political, but politics is the opposite of my intention. Any conicidental references, are just coincidental. I am unaware of the event or context of what you mentioned.

This forum section, and more particularly, this thread is about film and the aesthetic is evokes. There is something very wonderful about the analogue randomness, that elevates the medium. The idea 一What is actual flaws, are part of what makes it more enjoyable. The idea that the images are optical and real, and react to light beautifully. The alchemy and the art combined. This is something we have built memories on, and for those of us who are more passionate about it, have even built part of our lives around it. Whether people use film because they know why or not, is not crucial, but film definitely lends other possibilities to what can be done. 70mm represents some of the most fantastic aspects of that aesthetic to me. To me that was niether moral nor political. It is was really cool to hear that people who are watching film projection for the first time saw the beauty too.

my response to Combatentropy was to remind us of the power of film making. I applaud anyone who wants to abstain from violent scenes. However, that is a moral stance. i just wanted to give a different perspective, to show that Combatentropy's feeling toward the film was not completely out of the ordinary, and that film making has the power to make us feel. But how do we get out of the moral conversation? In one case, a father can take his son to watch a film were the son kills the father with a light saber, in the other case, a father brings his son to a film where murderers are killed by people they are trying to kill. we can debate morality all day, but i wasn't doing that. I was trying to take the morality back out of it and bring it back to the art. The idea that we all dislike something can make us think it is wrong instead of maybe that it reminds us that we do care. And i was simply telling Combatentropy that he was not in the minority, but that i agree with him, just from a different perspective, yet not so different perspective. Though, i hope he knows i am not trying to get him to watch QT films. But that i wanted him to be able to just be happy for the guy that had a good moment with his family.

Gillvane, you have been on these boards for sometime, as well. Your name is as familiar to me as some of my friends or colleagues. You don't have to take my word for it at face value. Just keep reading my posts and thoughts. I feel you have connection to this forum like we all do. Glad to have benefitted from you posts, and having shared it with you.

 

[Guest]

@cyclone, i don't see many of your posts, but thanks for posting this one. Seeing a 2004 join date is cool. I was just a lurker back then. I learned a lot from Barry and Jared and many who are not around so much these days. It is great that 11years later, i am still learning and even being inspired by the thoughts of other members here. When i am not on my soapbox, that is. Sometimes the internet feels like a room full of strangers everyday, but there are some good people on the other end that have been there consistantly on this site. I forget that too often. Ack, sorry if i am getting sappy. Just trying to be real for a bit.

 

[cyclone]

James,
I don't say much. Like you, I lurk and learn. I like the way you explained yourself to another member who had a possible issue with this thread without getting personal. (Neither of you got personal).

Yeah, I miss Barry,as well. He was the first person to answer one of my questions back in 2004 (and many times thereafter). This site was the most important cog in the wheel in my transition from film to digital video!

I look forward to running into you again!
Cheers.

 

[Gillvane]

I thought i was speaking plainly, certainly did not intend for subtext of any sort. It was a rant on how art and morality collide, but mostly it was about art. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Things like this surely can get political, but politics is the opposite of my intention. Any conicidental references, are just coincidental. I am unaware of the event or context of what you mentioned.

This forum section, and more particularly, this thread is about film and the aesthetic is evokes. There is something very wonderful about the analogue randomness, that elevates the medium. The idea 一What is actual flaws, are part of what makes it more enjoyable. The idea that the images are optical and real, and react to light beautifully. The alchemy and the art combined. This is something we have built memories on, and for those of us who are more passionate about it, have even built part of our lives around it. Whether people use film because they know why or not, is not crucial, but film definitely lends other possibilities to what can be done. 70mm represents some of the most fantastic aspects of that aesthetic to me. To me that was niether moral nor political. It is was really cool to hear that people who are watching film projection for the first time saw the beauty too.

my response to Combatentropy was to remind us of the power of film making. I applaud anyone who wants to abstain from violent scenes. However, that is a moral stance. i just wanted to give a different perspective, to show that Combatentropy's feeling toward the film was not completely out of the ordinary, and that film making has the power to make us feel. But how do we get out of the moral conversation? In one case, a father can take his son to watch a film were the son kills the father with a light saber, in the other case, a father brings his son to a film where murderers are killed by people they are trying to kill. we can debate morality all day, but i wasn't doing that. I was trying to take the morality back out of it and bring it back to the art. The idea that we all dislike something can make us think it is wrong instead of maybe that it reminds us that we do care. And i was simply telling Combatentropy that he was not in the minority, but that i agree with him, just from a different perspective, yet not so different perspective. Though, i hope he knows i am not trying to get him to watch QT films. But that i wanted him to be able to just be happy for the guy that had a good moment with his family.

Gillvane, you have been on these boards for sometime, as well. Your name is as familiar to me as some of my friends or colleagues. You don't have to take my word for it at face value. Just keep reading my posts and thoughts. I feel you have connection to this forum like we all do. Glad to have benefitted from you posts, and having shared it with you.

Morality equals politics. I know you were being rhetorical but on this board we can't discuss morality all day which is fine. It keeps the forum civil and focused on film instead of politics.
Im not trying to censor you, I'm censoring myself. Your statements about the morality of the violence in the hateful 8 evokes a political response from me especially in light of tarantinos news making statements to a very political group called black lives matter. i understand the point you are making but I cannot respond to it because of the constraints of this forum. Cheers.
I loved the look of this new Star Wars movie. But I'm just not sure if it's the film or mostly the post production and the style of the dp. Would this movie have looked just as wonderful if it was shot on a red or arri? I've seen some really beautiful movies shot on those cameras.

 

[Guest]

I loved the look of this new Star Wars movie. But I'm just not sure if it's the film or mostly the post production and the style of the dp. Would this movie have looked just as wonderful if it was shot on a red or arri? I've seen some really beautiful movies shot on those cameras.

I saw Star Wars in 3D digital projection, it looked great, but lost much of the little nuances of film projection. Which i wonder if there are any film projection showings? Watching film vs digital projection is like the difference of watching a fireplace vs a fluorescent tube. Guess which one i would rather stare at for 2hrs?