Using EX 1 with external monitor

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Bobonli

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I'll be shopping for an external monitor soon. The Smallhd and Manhattan are on my radar as inexpensive solutions. One thing I've read down in the monitor forum is that the EX-1's lcd information does not transfer via the connections used on the less expensive monitors. I'm particularly interested in peaking and zebra

What output/cable combination from the EX1 would I need to use to be able to see peaking and Zebra on an external monitor? I've read that the component out does not send this data. I can't find this in the instruction manual but maybe I'm searching in wrong place.

People do use peaking and zebra on their external monitors, don't they?

Thanks
Bob
 
I've called Manhattan LCD to ask about this. They said that if your camera setting allows you to output 720p instead of 1080p to the monitor, all the info should display correctly.
 
Huy Vu said:
I've called Manhattan LCD to ask about this. They said that if your camera setting allows you to output 720p instead of 1080p to the monitor, all the info should display correctly.
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I'm affraid I'm completely ignorant about how to do that. Would that be something within the lcd setup menu?

I'll look at the menus when I have the camera in front of me but, off the top of my head, I don't recall that being an option.

Thanks
 
As far as I know, you don't have anything but the analogue outs, and the SDI out.

You can use component+SDI simultaneously, OR, composite+S-Video, but can't for example get composite and SDI at the same time.

Now when you select the outputs in SD, thats what all outputs go to, analogue and digital
When you select HD as HD, ditto, you get component HD and HD-SDI (obviously no composite/S-Video option).

When you select the outputs as HD, the outputs (composite and HD-SDI) match the format the camera is set too. You can't for example, set the camera to 1080i and output 720p. Therefore the only way to get 720p out is to set the camera into one of the 720p shooting modes.

When you have YPbPr/SDI out in HD or SD, you can enable "YPbPr/SDI Out Display" which overlays most of the LCD info on the output, but it does not overlay zebra, histogram, brightness display nor peaking.

When you have YPbPr/SDI turned off (which enables the composite/S-Video outputs), you can enable "Video Out Display". This has the same characteristics and limitations as the "YPbPr/SDI Out Display"

So in short, no, as far as I am aware, you can't get peaking or zebra on an external monitor.
 
Thanks for the very detailed reply. I can't be the first person to wonder about this. Isn't this a limitation for people?

Is the only solution to use the monitor for framing and use the lcd for peaking and zebra? That seems to be counterproductive and defeat the purpose of the external monitor.

Ok...I'll ask it: am I the only person concerned about zebra and peaking on an external?

It doesn't sound like spending money on a higher-end monitor would solve this problem.
 
Anyone?

How do you work around not having peaking and zebra on your external monitor? Is this a limitation or do you simply use the camera's lcd to examine those features and then work with the external?

Thanks. I'm really trying to understand the practical functionality before deciding whether to order one.
 
More expensive field monitors do have their own peaking aid implemented, but no matter what, you're not going to get the peaking/zebra/histogram overlay from the EX camera.
 
Yes, that's evident. My question is how do people work around this. Do they use the camera lcd for these features or do they focus without the aid of peaking?
 
Use the peaking/zebra on the lcd for accurate focus and judging hot levels, then look down at the external monitor for what looks good to the eyes, than in your mind you can begin to feel reassured and learn to rely on this combo. You can use expanded focus on the lens as well to zoom in tight, that will not show up in the external monitor either.
Cheers
 
Yes, comparing the two monitors can be reassuring. However with a large and truly HD monitor like the 10.9" Manhattan, I don't even need to use the camera's LCD - judging focus is easy with 1366x763 pixels.

But, it's not always practical being this bulky!
 
Thank you both. That's what I was trying to determine.

Do you get to see the wire frame identifying the image edges and the other basic data like iris and recording mode?
 
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God, i keep hearing so much about Manhattan monitors lately. how do they compare to Marshall HD-SDI 7 inch and 8.4 HD-SDI. These are what we use, but the 8.4 has PtoP , nice, but the monitor is too big so i use the 7 inch HD-SDI, what kind of batteries does Manhattan have? Are they pricey?
Cheers
 
Bobonli said:
Thank you both. That's what I was trying to determine.

Do you get to see the wire frame identifying the image edges and the other basic data like iris and recording mode?
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Yes the markers and aspect, center frame and all display info , zoom, iris, p profile,
W bal, etc.. etc.... are visible on external monitors.
 
moldcad said:
Yes, comparing the two monitors can be reassuring. However with a large and truly HD monitor like the 10.9" Manhattan, I don't even need to use the camera's LCD - judging focus is easy with 1366x763 pixels.

But, it's not always practical being this bulky!
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the SmallHd is 1366x763 (a world record form small monitors), the Manhattan is far less than that, as are all other brands.
 
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