Undone Review of R5 and R6 Production Cams
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Run&Gun
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Are you just talking about little cams or ALL cams? Because I own two P2 Varicams and its not uncommon for one to sit for six to eight months or longer sometimes(no battery on it, obviously) and when it's fired up, everything is set right where it was, except maybe the TC. And I bet you a Coke that I can go fire up my tape Vari, that hasn't been used in several years and every menu and user setting will be exactly where it should be, as well.
Most professional cameras, like big ENG cameras, have non-volatile memory that doesn't need power to keep certain settings. I do know that Canon C series cameras WILL reset fully if they do not have a working "memory" battery in them and you remove power. I've been screwed many times by a clients 300/II by that. Tip: ALWAYS make sure the power is turned OFF on a 300/II, because if there is no external battery or power feeding it, it will drain and kill the internal "memory battery". I've had to shoot with them after some of their staffers had them last, only to get one with a dead memory battery.
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Larger bodies, obviously, have more room for the nonvolatile memory batteries. I did not know this about Canon c-line. One assumes smaller bodies consumer cameras have even less room and less standby time.
And the next question is - can someone run it down even faster?
Let's use a hypothetical scenario. Without a removable battery but with the power completely off, the camera resets in three days. What happens if someone not only keeps the power on, but continues to tinker with all the menu settings or, even worse, keeps "shooting" by pressing the shutter, etc?
PS. 50,000 at 8.36
And the next question is - can someone run it down even faster?
Let's use a hypothetical scenario. Without a removable battery but with the power completely off, the camera resets in three days. What happens if someone not only keeps the power on, but continues to tinker with all the menu settings or, even worse, keeps "shooting" by pressing the shutter, etc?
PS. 50,000 at 8.36
Ive never thought about ti that way, your so right, they constantly need new content which would create some bias.
ahalpert
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"YouTubers are just entertainment in the guise of objective impartiality." - Puredrifting
Well, we could say the exact same thing about newspapers. I think it's a little more complicated. Youtubers want an audience. The audience wants information. And/or perhaps they want to be entertained. And/or perhaps they just want confirmation of what they already believe. Just like with newspapers.
Run&Gun
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Which is why I think you really started hearing the term "content" several years ago, to describe EVERYTHING.
puredrifting
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I think it's highly variable. People like Curtis Judd and Gerald Undone try to actually convey a lot of data as well as opinion. At the other end of the spectrum you have YouTubers like Matti and Make Art Now who are amazing entertainers, I like watching their stuff
just to see what kind of interesting, creative entertainment they have conceived, shot and edited. But I don't watch them to gain hardcore insights when I am on the hunt to buy a new camera or light or lens.
But I don't care who you are, if Canon flew you to Hawaii or the Caribbean and just GAVE you a new R5 and a few RF lenses, you'd have a hard time not saying nice things about it.
This happens far more often than you would think. I've met two "Influencers" who have scored over $100k in free gear over the past year or so. Back when I first started reviewing gear
in the late 90s, I met two of the more prominent posters from Creative Cow who were each given new AVID Media Composers for "free" in exchange for favorable reviews. And this was when a new
Media Composer was $85k, both of these people tried to convince me it would be worth my time, well worth my time, to become a moderator there. It's a thing. And a lot of people in our business
use that as their business model. It's appealing to always be given the latest and greatest for free in exchange for favorable reviews.
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ahalpert
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I agree with you puredrifting - the reviews are tainted. My only point was that there has to be enough truth and information to maintain an audience that wants it. Though I think the reality is that youtubers find different niches to get different audiences - I can't stand the more personality/entertainment-heavy ones.
I LOVE Gerald's videos because he's so quick and to the point, yet thorough. And he shows you how he conducts his tests for AF, etc. Almost every review video I watch I would prefer to be a written article with some sample video clips because the reviewer wastes so much of my time. I could get more info by reading and skimming.
Do I TRUST Gerald? Of course not. But I learn things from his videos and he may raise issues for me to consider. I would verify his R5/R6 overheating tests with my own experience, but I dont think he's straight-up lying about the results.
I LOVE Gerald's videos because he's so quick and to the point, yet thorough. And he shows you how he conducts his tests for AF, etc. Almost every review video I watch I would prefer to be a written article with some sample video clips because the reviewer wastes so much of my time. I could get more info by reading and skimming.
Do I TRUST Gerald? Of course not. But I learn things from his videos and he may raise issues for me to consider. I would verify his R5/R6 overheating tests with my own experience, but I dont think he's straight-up lying about the results.
Do you trust JB?
ahalpert
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I don't "trust" trust anyone. But I'm happy to hear their opinion and process it accordingly based on what I know about their knowledge base and motives
As for intentional deceptions - again, I would compare these to newspapers. Newspapers typically shape opinion by emphasizing certain facts and stories, omitting others, and making subjective interpretations in their descriptions of facts and history
As for intentional deceptions - again, I would compare these to newspapers. Newspapers typically shape opinion by emphasizing certain facts and stories, omitting others, and making subjective interpretations in their descriptions of facts and history
Run&Gun
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I still prefer to get a lot of my information in written form. It’s much easier to quickly go back and take something in again, read it slowly to make sure you’re understanding it/comprehending it correctly or compare things. Matt at News Shooter does some of the most insane(in-depth) reviews, especially on lighting gear and it’s largely written.
ahalpert
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Yeah Matt Allard is the best. I use his write-ups as a reference, especially when I want to double-check a camera's codecs and bitrates. He's more thorough and comprehensive than the B&H entry and better organized and presented than the manufacturer manual.
YouTuber videos that lean heavily on "character" are basically just entertainment, and not very entertaining at that
puredrifting
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As someone who writes reviews, Matthew is my idol, he definitely does the best, most in-depth and well thought out reviews on production gear of anyone out there. If people only knew how many HOURS and DAYs and even WEEKS and MONTHS it takes to do reviews at that level,
they'd have a lot more respect for this free source of valuable information. Instead, stupid people nit pick every word and accuse him of nonsensical things that he has not done and would never do. As I've seen Newsshooter grow, I've seen Matthew become irritated at people's boundless stupidity
and entitlement in the comment threads and I don't blame him a bit. So many misinformed, low EQ and IQ people in our business. But that's just the Internet, no matter what you comment or say in your article or video, it's going to offend someone and there are going to be contrarian trolls no matter what.
I too prefer written reviews but YouTube reviews have their place as well.
they'd have a lot more respect for this free source of valuable information. Instead, stupid people nit pick every word and accuse him of nonsensical things that he has not done and would never do. As I've seen Newsshooter grow, I've seen Matthew become irritated at people's boundless stupidity
and entitlement in the comment threads and I don't blame him a bit. So many misinformed, low EQ and IQ people in our business. But that's just the Internet, no matter what you comment or say in your article or video, it's going to offend someone and there are going to be contrarian trolls no matter what.
I too prefer written reviews but YouTube reviews have their place as well.
I don't think of people who challenge or don't agree with me stupid, low IQ etcetera. If they really are, it's better through their own words than mine. With Gerald, I like that he covers a lot of ground very fast. With Johnnie Behiri, it's more emotional and passionate, and I like that too. With Matthew, I like that he engages with his readers in the comments section. With Kai, I like the comic expressions. Chris and Jordan have a wonderful complimentary style.
And I left out some other bloggers, personalities or just great people, Alister Chapman, Simon Wyndam, Doug Jensen, Phil Bloom, Art Adams and Barry Green. When I ranted about not receiving Barry's book with my Panasonic purchase, he personally sent me a copy from Texas. There are many others. The beauty of it all, is that all is beautiful.