Uncompressed signal out .. what does it mean ?
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Batutta
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A mini only has a Firewire 400 port and isn't expandable, so it wouldn't work with a card. However, from what I read on the andromeda site, it can record a compressed 4:4:4 8-bit stream to a 5400 rpm drive, which would work on the mini. Still, a laptop would be better. Built-in battery, and even the ibook matches the mini on specs.
iamloser said:
I think you're right and I agree with your rant generally. I personally am leaning towards the HVX. I really like the "no tape" idea and the features announced. Like I said before - I wish they left the tape drive off altogether and saved me a few bucks or added 6 Compact Flash or SD Card slots to back the P2 UP or record SD.
Hey, now that would have been a cool idea.
Removable lens would have been a cool idea too. Oh well - can't have it all, but we can ask!
Barry_Green
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But the Drake might just have its own onboard computer to handle it.
I looked around, it looks like you'd need a Kona 2 card, somewhere around $2500, and a Media Fiber-Channel RAID, RT3X, at around $6,000, to be able to capture uncompressed HD. I don't think either of those will work with the Mac Mini.
I looked around, it looks like you'd need a Kona 2 card, somewhere around $2500, and a Media Fiber-Channel RAID, RT3X, at around $6,000, to be able to capture uncompressed HD. I don't think either of those will work with the Mac Mini.
Well, so one could built a compact box with a computer with enough power and a couple of SATA HDDs. It could just attach to the back like a FS-4, maybe a bit longer. hey this camera is small anyways. Don't need a Kona. Too expensive. A deckLink would do for cheaper. The point is, if Drake does it, why can't the HD100? I don't think the Drake is using anything like a Media Fiber-Channel RAID.
Just need somebody who is willing to do it and knows his stuff.
Just need somebody who is willing to do it and knows his stuff.
thisiswells said:
I thought it was more like 20 minutes on 2 8GB cards and less than half that at 60p. 2 16 gig cards would get you 40 minutes, right? But God knows what that'll cost. At least that's what people around here has been saying for the last week.
Still no problem for my work flow, but if it really costs $4k I'd buy a smaller P2 card and spend the money I saved on a HD Monitor and wait for lower P2 prices to upgrade instead of burning $4k on P2's right away. That will be the part of the system that devalues VERY, very quickly. Maybe I'd rent cards if I really needed them for something.
I just listened to the Firestore rep on some internet radio show. He emphasized the drives they use are very tough and they are mostly used by news crews. I'll have to at least look at how that would work in the real world. That's 2-3 hours of footage for $800 or so.. provided the HD price isn't higher than the SD price. We'll see about that.
Barry_Green
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2 8gb cards would get you 40 minutes of 720/24p. You'd get about 16 minutes of 720/60p or any of the 1080 modes.joelnet said:
Barry_Green
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Well, "currently" the 8gb cards don't exist. They're going to debut in August. They are expected to be at $2k, because the camera alone is $5995, and the camera bundled with two 8gb cards will list at $9995.
1,500 for a Kona A/D converter + 1500 in components to build a compact computer box with storage. 3K+ 5k(HD100 likely street price) is 8K. It might actually work. If it does, you would have a 720p(24,25,30,50,60fps) variable frame rate, 4:2:2 uncompressed with exchangeble lens for under 10K. Now of course the price is just a guess. But if those Drake guys are doing it, there's a solution. Somebody just need to work on it.
Not much of a bundle discount eh? If I can buy this thing piece by piece for the same price I'll probably get the camera and a small P2 and play for a while hoping P2 pricing comes down.
Also - 3rd party P2 makers may arrive around then.
Overall I'm really looking forward to going HD in 6 months or so. I'll upgrade everything at the same time I guess. New computer, monitor and camera. Till then I've got a lot of software to get better at.
Also - 3rd party P2 makers may arrive around then.
Overall I'm really looking forward to going HD in 6 months or so. I'll upgrade everything at the same time I guess. New computer, monitor and camera. Till then I've got a lot of software to get better at.
xray
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Im not standing still but do not find P2 practical now.Barry_Green said:
//And, assuming that you do, do you at least acknowledge that the Sony shoots interlaced ("reality") but not slower-frame-rate progressive ("drama"), and the JVC shoots 24p and 30p, but not 60p. If we can't agree on that, then there's no point in continuing any sort of discussion.//
I work with different cams, I know the specs, so we can agree on that. I have a sense of humor and talent for writing suspense too, thank you. I started working with film and the first U-matic in 1983.
Barry_Green
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Just trying to find common ground. I absolutely agree that different cams are appropriate for different purposes. That's what I've been saying -- 24p is suitable for some types of shooting, but not for others. 60i/60p is definitely far superior for some types of shooting, but not for others. In that context, I think my comments about the Z1, and about the HD100, are entirely appropriate, consistent, and unbiased.xray said:
Not questioning your credentials at all! Just because we may disagree on some things doesn't mean that I don't respect your opinion. In the interest of full disclosure, NAB seems to have delivered me some sort of nasty cold/virus, so I'm probably "crankier" than normal, and for that I apologize.
simpleknight
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"The Sony FX1 and Z1 also have uncompressed output, but I don't think I've heard of anyone using it yet"
simpleknight
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how to get at sony hdv uncompressed signal
how to get at sony hdv uncompressed signal
Barry Green says:
"The Sony FX1 and Z1 also have uncompressed output, but I don't think I've heard of anyone using it yet"
is this true? if so, how? i'd love to try this out...
sk
how to get at sony hdv uncompressed signal
Barry Green says:
"The Sony FX1 and Z1 also have uncompressed output, but I don't think I've heard of anyone using it yet"
is this true? if so, how? i'd love to try this out...
sk
Barry_Green
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How? How to use it? It's the same as the JVC: analog component output. The big question is, what are you going to do with it? If you want to record it, you'll need either an HD deck ($$$$$$$$$$) or a computer with an uncompressed analog input card, or a computer with an HD-SDI input and then you'll need an analog-to-HD-SDI converter, plus you'll need a RAID of hard disks that can support a sustained data rate of over 166 megabytes per second.
Plus you'd need enough storage, because one gigabyte will give you maybe 6 seconds of HD footage. That's 600 gigabytes for one hour of storage.
If you have all that, you could use uncompressed output from the FX1/Z1 right now. Of course, you can't record it to tape first, because tape is where it gets compressed, so you'd have to use this system for live production work only, no tape. But if you have that, you can get uncompressed output from any of these cameras (FX1, Z1, HD100, or HVX). It's not like the HD100 is providing any special capability, they can all do it. The only thing about the HD100 is that uncompressed output is the only way to get the 60p frame rate, I guess that's why it's garnering attention on the HD100. But it's not a feature that's unique to the HD100, they all support it.
Plus you'd need enough storage, because one gigabyte will give you maybe 6 seconds of HD footage. That's 600 gigabytes for one hour of storage.
If you have all that, you could use uncompressed output from the FX1/Z1 right now. Of course, you can't record it to tape first, because tape is where it gets compressed, so you'd have to use this system for live production work only, no tape. But if you have that, you can get uncompressed output from any of these cameras (FX1, Z1, HD100, or HVX). It's not like the HD100 is providing any special capability, they can all do it. The only thing about the HD100 is that uncompressed output is the only way to get the 60p frame rate, I guess that's why it's garnering attention on the HD100. But it's not a feature that's unique to the HD100, they all support it.
Hmm, I was just thinking. Couldn't you record it to a D-Vhs deck? Or are they Mpeg only?
Maybe a W-VHS, if one could ever find one those days. I remember it had component in. It was analog HD with 1125 lines. Since the output is component, it is already coverted to analog. Wonder what kind of result would it produce.
Maybe a W-VHS, if one could ever find one those days. I remember it had component in. It was analog HD with 1125 lines. Since the output is component, it is already coverted to analog. Wonder what kind of result would it produce.