Two men.....AAarghhh!

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Mino

Northern Dreamer
So I'm watching David Cronenbergs film "Crash" last night and sort of enjoying it as is normal for me and a Cronenberg film. I'm thinking how weird the film is as usual when BAM right in my face two guys are groping and necking and....STOP! I have to turn it off. I just can't watch this kind of activity without squirming around and feeling really uncomfortable. You could call me homophobic I guess, but I have no problem with gay men and have had a handful as freinds over the years. There is just something about watching men make out on screen that really turns me off. It happens every day somewhere in the world I know and I'm fine with that, I just don't want to see it! Do I need help? Damned you Cronenberg, The film was pretty good, couldn't you have just eluded to the fact that these two guys were groping each other somehow?

How do the rest of you guys view this stuff?
 
I feel the same way Mino. I know a bunch of gay men, but I'd rather not see them do what they do. Unfortunately, society is changing and it will probably be the norm to see that stuff. I can't hide from it, so I somehow have to deal with it.
 
HorseFilms said:
I don't really like watching anybody make out. Gay or otherwise.
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Thanks Horse....That's more to the point, I'm the same way, it does not enhance any story in my books to see any two people making out least of all men. Sow me how they treat each other emotionally, mentally etc. but I don't want to peak from their closet while they're rolling around in bed.
 
i disagree. i think showing people making out can show how much passion exists between people.

I mean lets face it sex is a huge part of a relationship at any stage. Showing people caring and loving does not nessecarilly show theres any fire between them.

I see two people looking loving into each others eyes at dinner it accomplishes one goal, seeing them tear each others clothes off and bang into walls on their way to the kitchen sink is a whole other.

And you can say that showing the clothing on the floor and the lamp turned over evicts the same emotions, l say it does not.

Showing people displaying fierce physical affection for each other on screen has no substitute. If it did, people wouldn't be doing it in nearly every movie which deals with love.
 
And you kinda have to consider that that's what Crash was about, after all.

Glad it won the Oscar.

Oh, wait a sec....that was the boring Crash that won, not this one... :grin:
 
lucidz said:
i disagree. i think showing people making out can show how much passion exists between people.

I mean lets face it sex is a huge part of a relationship at any stage. Showing people caring and loving does not nessecarilly show theres any fire between them.

I see two people looking loving into each others eyes at dinner it accomplishes one goal, seeing them tear each others clothes off and bang into walls on their way to the kitchen sink is a whole other.

And you can say that showing the clothing on the floor and the lamp turned over evicts the same emotions, l say it does not.

Showing people displaying fierce physical affection for each other on screen has no substitute. If it did, people wouldn't be doing it in nearly every movie which deals with love.
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Good point, I just don't need to see it personally. I know how much passion exists between my best freind and his girl, It's evident by viewing all the interactions they share, I have no need to watch them make out to cement this idea in my head, they have filled in the blanks for me in so many other ways. I'm guessing that there are different ways of understanding the issue, some people need more visual stimulation than others to get the message perhaps?
 
GenJerDan said:
And you kinda have to consider that that's what Crash was about, after all.

Glad it won the Oscar.

Oh, wait a sec....that was the boring Crash that won, not this one... :grin:
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Yes you do have to consider that, The film stopped working for me at that point. I'm going to have to try it again because I can't leave a Cronenberg film half watched in my head, so I will have to buck up and "Deal with it" as previous posters suggested:)
 
I kind of have the same opinion here. I am pretty uncomfortable seeing that on screen. Especially considering that the two people making out or whatever are not (usually) together. I also think you can show love without it. I just watched Pride & Prejuduce the other day, and they showed deep love without them so much as touching one another. It was very deep emotions without any physicality. Anyway, just my .02 cents.
 
briceman said:
I just watched Pride & Prejuduce the other day, and they showed deep love without them so much as touching one another. It was very deep emotions without any physicality.
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Brandons favorite movie :grin:

I think sometimes the situation will warrant showing something a little more. Albeit, most filmmakers use it too much, at the wrong time, or for the wrong reasons.

One Croenenberg movie that comes to mind that used sexuality to good effect would be the love scenes in A History of Violence. They add depth to the characters, and fill you in on the backstory of their relationship using their display's of affection.
 
I agree Mino, any sexual scene in a movie is slightly uncomfortable especially same sex. It always takes away from the movie... I mean show their lustfulness toward each other .. then cut to the wake up scene.
The true love in relationships can be shown thru interactions. That is what makes a movie not the "Gettin jiggy wit it".
 
i dunno guys. i'm starting to think we as americans (and canadians mino :)) need to really get over this physical stuff in general. its getting easier and easier to deal with in europe in an open and comfortable way.

it sounds lame and philisophical, but it is just a couple of bodies doing something that Everyone does in one form or another -- be it gay or straight.

whether a certain director takes it too far in a movie should be decided solely on an individual basis -- and someone like cronenberg (always all about the Flesh) is definitely Always gonna take it that extra mile.

but yes, mino, that is a degree of homophobia whether we want to admit it or not, and i am in the same boat, even though i am trying to jump out. :)

And I think in order to start making homosexuality more accepted and less persecuted in this world and in reality, we are going to Have to see a lot more of that on all kinds of screens.
 
I've seen the movie and I have maybe a couple things to say. Firstly, I think the oddness of that entire movie almost necessitated the more visual approach Cronenberg took with that scene. The whole movie is just strange and gritty and uncomfortable. If he only alluded to such a spontaneous, raw, physical encounter between those two guys, it wouldnt cut it with the rest of the film. Its been a while since I saw it, but I dont remember anything very veiled in it.

Secondly, for comparison, I think the relationship that evolved between the two men in Crash was WAY more believable than the one in Brokeback Mountain.

Thirdly, you know if James Spader is in it, there's gonna be someone gettin their freak on. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
thartley said:
I've seen the movie and I have maybe a couple things to say. Firstly, I think the oddness of that entire movie almost necessitated the more visual approach Cronenberg took with that scene. The whole movie is just strange and gritty and uncomfortable. If he only alluded to such a spontaneous, raw, physical encounter between those two guys, it wouldnt cut it with the rest of the film. Its been a while since I saw it, but I dont remember anything very veiled in it.

Secondly, for comparison, I think the relationship that evolved between the two men in Crash was WAY more believable than the one in Brokeback Mountain.

Thirdly, you know if James Spader is in it, there's gonna be someone gettin their freak on. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
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hahahaha! perfect. and what IS it with Spader and these movies???
 
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