TwilightFest 2008 - Finalists and Round 2 Voting

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JDS for president !!





...no, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Ok, maybe my worst enemy, but not my second worst.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
As Larry already stated THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE :shocked:

Say we have 100 votes for round one (this is a random round number that has nothing to do with the actual number.)

Now we add 100 more. (again random) NOW WE HAVE 200 VOTES.

Sheesh!

But you wouldn't have been in the top 7.
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I have a long ways to get to the top seven,,,,next fest!!
 
Zim said:
I have a long ways to get to the top seven,,,,next fest!!
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Sorry I didn't mean that as a dig at your placement. Especially given the strength of all the films that I've seen this go around.

My point was that it's really hard to move a film up or down. As Larry stated you'd have to get 100 friends to vote 10's on film to move it up significantly.

Just saying if there's hair's difference between the ratings of any of the films remotly near the top 10, they will be in the finals. ( I edited the post since you quoted me with more about where the cutoff is made).

I shouldn't have used your film as an example, it was just a handy specific since you brought it up, nothing personal.
 
Zim, trust us - we've been working and reworking this system for years, and we've seen people try every form of cheating, ballot-box-stuffing, vote-pimping, downrating, up-rating, and flat-out manipulation that is imaginable.

The current system is designed around one and only one fundamental criteria: FAIR VOTING. We have also prioritized ease of use, but our main intention was to provide the fairest, most representative, least-manipulatable system possible. And it appears to be working very well.

If your concern is for fairness, that is what we designed the system for. This system relies on mass voting and minimizes the impact any one voter can have to manipulate the system.

The second round is designed specifically to increase the number of votes for the finalists, to make sure that the final tally is the most representative and fairest vote we can get.
 
I know Barry and I know you want this on the up and up. I have no doubts that it is. But nothing is perfect and I just thought either one round or everyone voting for the top films sounded better. I didn't mean to piss anyone off.

That is what I would vote for or I would rate my idea at 10 stars....wait that might make people mad. I rate my own idea at 8 stars
 
Your assessment is incorrect and I'll tell you why.

If we have just one round and extend it by a week, rather than have a second round, the positioning of the films is not going to significantly change. There might be two films which switch place, but this would be a tight race between two positions (e.g. 4th & 5th, or 38th & 39th), not a switch between two disparate positions (e.g. 4th and 23rd).

So even though in the second round voting is not an option for the non-finalists, it is not preventing them from becoming a finalist. If voting were still turned on, without ballot stuffing, there is no way for a non-finalist entry to move up to a finalist entry in an extended week.

So the entries which are named as finalists would still be in those positions whether the voting was 1 week or 5 weeks.

And, by the same token, in selecting the finalists and having a second round of voting, there is not going to be a significant change in position between the films position. Instead we are increasing the sampling of the votes, but more importantly we are giving more people a chance to see those films that you, the filmmakers/entrants deem are the best of the batch.

By allowing the viewership to vote, it is their determination which are the cream of the crop. And then once they've been identified we give more people an opportunity to view some outstanding work by our members.

We don't prevent them from seeing the other films, but we are hilighting those who have excelled and presented a film that is of a high caliber and is deemed, by the members, to be an outstanding entry.
 
I think one thing we can do to improve things is strike the words "vote" or "voting" from any and every instance of email, post, thread, page, banner that has to do with the fest and make a consolidated effort to say "rate" or "ratings" at least in all formal things like rules threads and hopefully in casual posts as well.

There really is no such thing as voting anymore in a DVXuser fest.
 
Yeah I dont remember getting one either. Didnt really matter since I'm on here almost everyday, but just thought I'd chime in on that.

Jack I really like your push to call it "rating" instead of "voting" - makes so much more sense that way as the two concepts are quite different. FWIW I love watching DVXfests and will definitely be participating this next go round. Ideas keep buzzing through my head - just waiting to see what the theme will be. Very excited about this, as well as the mini fests.
 
SWEET!!! That's totally what I was thinking it would be!!!!! Can it involve celebrities dancing with real ballroom dancers!?!?! That would freaking rock!
 
Do I think that the current system is 100% fair? Nope.

Do I think that dvxuser mods are making every possible effort to make it as fair as is humanly possible? Do I think they're very carefully monitoring the tally and scrutinizing any and every irregularity? Do I think there is great debate among them about the system and how it's working and how it might be improved? Do I think they'd be willing to at least listen to suggestions from the membership about ideas for making improvements? Do I think their primary goal in developing the system is fairness? Yep. No question.

I know I would certainly be hard pressed to come up with a better way of doing it. And I know they're concerned with fairness, and I'm glad they've put this current system into place after LoveFest. I think it's a huge improvement over the previous method.

If I were to look at the list of finalists for TwilightFest, I would say that there were a couple of films I really thought should have been up there, but weren't. Does that mean the system isn't working right? Not at all, I think that this group of final films gives the best representation of the opinion of the membership as a whole as possible. I think that's the whole point.

I don't think there's any way to avoid the ongoing debate over the voting, err, the rating system, that is (sorry Jack). The discussion will surface every fest, I think.

But it must be hard to come up with a 100% perfect system to function in the imperfect world we live in. This is the second dvxuser fest that has used this method, and I'm sure that when it's all over but the crying the mods will be reviewing it again and comparing it to how it worked in TimeFest, and trying to predict how it will perform for NextFest. And after NextFest I'm sure they'll be looking at it all over again.
 
Since everyone seems to be chiming in with their two cents...

I think the system is pretty effing perfect!

You have to understand that this isn't a panel of judges that's deciding the winners..it's us! To say that one film deserved it more than the other is just as arbitrary and subjective as the rank you yourself awarded the film. This system accurately logs, categorizes, and calculates the rankings that we as viewers and judges designate to the films. Given the scenario and rules of the fest, I can't imagine a better way to do it.l

Yay for the mods!
 
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