Timelines!Timelines!Timelines!!!

Rick Meyer

Rick Meyer

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I've read SO often that if I want the smoothest slow motion effect, I should shoot in 60i and put it in a 24p timeline. Does this mean the entire film goes into a 24p timeline or JUST the portion you want to slow down?

Also, what is the difference between putting 60i footage in a 24p timeline vs. editing 60i in a 60i timeline? Is there a difference in the finished look?

Finally, can I film parts of this upcoming gig (my sister's wedding) in 24p if I know it's not going to be slowed down and parts of it in 60i, or would it just be SO much easier if I just keep it in 60i?

Thanks so much any and all-

Rick
 
When you select a timeline, you are selecting it for the entire project, so everything ultimately will be in the selected project timeline.

60i in a 60in timeline gives smoothest slow motion at exactly 50% normal playback rate (each field is treated as a frame). 60i in a 24p timeline yields the smoothest slow motion when each field is treated as a frame and played back at 24 frames per second (which I think amounts to 40% of the normal playback rate). Nominally, if you are shooting in 60i, you should probably use 60i to 60i slow motion, and if you shoot in 24p, use 60i to 24p slow motion (and be aware the the 50% vs 40% difference in playback rate).

I think it is probably easier to shoot everything in 60i rather than trying to worry about switching between the two depending upon what you may wind up slowing down.
 
Thanks so much Kmcgrath-

Things are beginning to make sense to me. Unfortunately, because of major time constraints, I have to decide on camera settings to shoot my sister's wedding without a lot of troubleshooting in Premiere. So, I have to read, read, read, and ask questions, then hope for the best.

To clarify, if I shoot everything in 60i, and edit in a 24p timeline, ONLY the sequences I want slowed down, will be slowed down, correct? In other words, just because 60i footage is IN a 24p timeline, it doesn't automatically slow down ALL Of the footage, right? Also, do you know of any PC friendly filters that would help the "look" of 60i? It looks too much like video for my tastes but I KNOW I am going to want slow motion, therefore, I am going to run with it.

Thanks so much for your time-

Rick
 
Rick,
If I am understanding your question correctly, the answer is yes. Regardless of whether you shoot at 60i or 24p, when you edit in 24p timeline you will see normal playback rate UNLESS you tell it otherwise. This is done (in Vegas) by inserting a velocity envelope in the clip you want to slow down (in Vegas, right click the clip, select envelopes, then velocity envelope). If slowing down footage shot at 60i (in a 60i timeline), set velocity envelope to 50% for smoothest playback, and for footage shot at 60i (in a 24p timeline), set velocity envelope to 40% for smoothest playback.
I'm not sure I see an advantage on shooting everything in 60i and then editing on a 24p timeline (anyone else want to weigh in here?). Yes, you will get smooth slow motion at 40%, but what is the advantage for normal speed? I think I would rather shoot everything at 60i, and edit in 60i timeline, then slow to 50% for you slow mo stuff.
As far as filters to get rid of the video look, you might investigate Magic Bullet Software or David Jimerson's Celluloid (http://www.vasst.com/celluloid.htm).
 
kmcgrath-

I can't thank you enough. All of this slow-mo, 60i, 24p this timeline, THAT timeline etc is finally "clicking" for me. I am just going to bite the bullet here and film my sister's entire wedding in 60i with 1/120 shutter speed. If I hate the look, I will live and learn. Hey, she's getting me for FREE, so what can she say??? I also plan to shoot it in letterbox mode and use Photozoom Pro. Disjecta has a great sticky on this software and I am pretty excited about it. His results look amazing. But then again, he IS a legend around here...

Thanks again-
Rick
 
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