This GY-HD100U is SWEET ! ! !
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Interesting footnote, though, that JVC is the Victor Company of Japan, as in, RCA/Victor. They use the little dog/victrola logo now and then.
JVC is Panasonic
JVC is Panasonic
The reason that JVC does dumb things is because, it is the step son of Matsushita
Panasonic was made to be a world wide name for Matsushita because they thought Americans and the world are too dumb to pronounce Matsushita (look up the history of an electronics empire, Sony is in there also)
JVC(Japan Victor Company) was a small company that was competing with Sony and Matsushita so Matsushita bought them out.
Experimental products are brought first by JVC then Panasonic used that as R&D and releases there own. They are step brothere JVC/Pana or Cousins whatever you prefer.
The 1 chip HDV cam was an experiment, bad one, people in JVC professional where told that they had to make a pro cam based on the tech(inside sources, cant tell you) *hint* do a search, or even ask Jan C. she would know all about the JVC consumer/ JVC Professional debacle with the GR-HD1/JY-HD10U.
People in JVC Pro asked Matsushita and and JVC consumer why the hell they even released the 1chip HDV in the first place. (Big head ache making the JY-HD10U and puting there JVC Professional stamp on it.)
Another example is JVC and there new camcorder lines using hard drives and soon solid state (the $1000+ cams (there is a 3ccd based on the Pana 3ccd system coming soon) Everio GZ-MC500(DV GR-X5)) Yeah thats right Pana will be next...
Res and all the other people talking about the HVX/HD100 comparison, no way no how will the HVX blow this cam out of the water.
They will both be close to eachother for the most part, each will have its own advantages but image wise if anything the JVC will have the edge, features I want that HVX you can stick the slight image advantage up your butt,
P2 cards maybe Pana will play nice and have the technolkogy licensed(they will still make $)
aftermarket 2GB P2 Sandisk/PNY $129 after rebate at staples
HTTP://HTTP.staples.com/Catalog/Bro...=Secure+Digital+(SD)+&+MultiMedia+Cards+(MMC)
It is 4 SD(Secure Digital) cards running together in raid after all (yep thats the secret)
JVC is Panasonic
The reason that JVC does dumb things is because, it is the step son of Matsushita
Panasonic was made to be a world wide name for Matsushita because they thought Americans and the world are too dumb to pronounce Matsushita (look up the history of an electronics empire, Sony is in there also)
JVC(Japan Victor Company) was a small company that was competing with Sony and Matsushita so Matsushita bought them out.
Experimental products are brought first by JVC then Panasonic used that as R&D and releases there own. They are step brothere JVC/Pana or Cousins whatever you prefer.
The 1 chip HDV cam was an experiment, bad one, people in JVC professional where told that they had to make a pro cam based on the tech(inside sources, cant tell you) *hint* do a search, or even ask Jan C. she would know all about the JVC consumer/ JVC Professional debacle with the GR-HD1/JY-HD10U.
People in JVC Pro asked Matsushita and and JVC consumer why the hell they even released the 1chip HDV in the first place. (Big head ache making the JY-HD10U and puting there JVC Professional stamp on it.)
Another example is JVC and there new camcorder lines using hard drives and soon solid state (the $1000+ cams (there is a 3ccd based on the Pana 3ccd system coming soon) Everio GZ-MC500(DV GR-X5)) Yeah thats right Pana will be next...
Res and all the other people talking about the HVX/HD100 comparison, no way no how will the HVX blow this cam out of the water.
They will both be close to eachother for the most part, each will have its own advantages but image wise if anything the JVC will have the edge, features I want that HVX you can stick the slight image advantage up your butt,
P2 cards maybe Pana will play nice and have the technolkogy licensed(they will still make $)
aftermarket 2GB P2 Sandisk/PNY $129 after rebate at staples
HTTP://HTTP.staples.com/Catalog/Bro...=Secure+Digital+(SD)+&+MultiMedia+Cards+(MMC)
It is 4 SD(Secure Digital) cards running together in raid after all (yep thats the secret)
Lebroz said:
Where did I say that the HVX would *Blow* the HD100 out of the water? I didn't. I'm partial to the HVX, but I feel that both cameras will be viable right off the bat. You can't really go wrong either way. Matsushita has the market corned now, no doubt. Both cams will be better / worse at different things and will excel in different markets I think. HVX will probably remain an *indie* filmmaker's #1 cam until P2 prices stable off. HD100 will definately garner success in the event / videography sector. Like I said, you can't really go wrong either way. One of the cams *should* work for you!!
HELL, I'm seriously thinking about getting BOTH!!
One thing is for certain, Sony and Canon might be a distant memory after NAB unless they get on the ball and start developing / announcing new cams that would actually have a chance competing with the HVX / HD100. And by competing, I mean competing NOW or in the near future.....Not 2 years from now....CANON!!
It would never happen due to Sony's arrogance and their tight fisted dictatorship....but I'd like to see them 1-up Panasonic (For ONCE!!
) by releasing a *Mini CineAlta*.....with all the features of HVX + some. Sort of the way Panny appears to be releasing a *Mini Varicam*. It might not ever happen, but I think there's a chance it would now that Panny has "Boldly gone where no other Camera maker has gone..."!! Sony *WILL* be forced to compete with *SOMETHING* and that is only good for *US* the consumer and the rest of the industry. :thumbsup: ~reservoir~
Barry_Green
Moderator
Y'know, you can see it that way, and I can see it that way, and the rest of the world can see it that way, but until SONY sees it that way, it doesn't mean anything.reservoir said:
Their idea of competing with 24p is to offer a 24p OPTION board for DVCAM and Digital Betacam cameras. Mind you, that option board costs more than an HVX or HD100!
On the other hand, it looks like they think CineFrame 24 is viable, because it sure sounds like that's what they plan on adding to their other DVCAM cameras: 60i imaging recorded as 24p.
They don't get it.
Don't count on 'em getting it any time soon.
And if they don't, their "leadership" in broadcast, etc., is going to start to look an awful lot like IBM in the computer world...
Agreed Barry.
I mean, in my heart of hearts I really do like *most* Sony products and I think they have an unlimted potential to do great things, but it seems like they just don't *GET IT* sometimes.
I find it weird that when an entire community of filmmakers / broadcasters / hobbyists ask for certain things (like 24p) there ARE companies that genuine listen and *DELIVER*....and then there is SONY. Always coming in and playing by their own rules. Maybe my fantasy of a *MiniCineAlta* is just that....a fantasy. But if Sony would at least add true 24p to their current cams, they'd be a step in the right direction for sure. It would definately turn alot heads.
~reservoir~
I mean, in my heart of hearts I really do like *most* Sony products and I think they have an unlimted potential to do great things, but it seems like they just don't *GET IT* sometimes.
I find it weird that when an entire community of filmmakers / broadcasters / hobbyists ask for certain things (like 24p) there ARE companies that genuine listen and *DELIVER*....and then there is SONY. Always coming in and playing by their own rules. Maybe my fantasy of a *MiniCineAlta* is just that....a fantasy. But if Sony would at least add true 24p to their current cams, they'd be a step in the right direction for sure. It would definately turn alot heads.
~reservoir~
How you can all speak of this 3 letter company like they are obsolete...
How you can all speak of this 3 letter company like they are obsolete...
I agree with Barry G. Sony doesn't really care they have enough liquid assets and dumb customers(24p add on costing more than a DVX) around the world where they can survive.
I.B.M. ? IBM is the most underrated company in semi-conductors, they sold all of there divisions,
If IBM is so dumb and bad then why did Panasonics father company (Matsushitas Hitachi) buy their hard drive devastations and technology.
IBM just sold their notebook division(they are not IBM's anymore) for a whole lot of $
They are a semi-conductor fab, the most powerful semi-conductor and enginering company in the world, do a little research, they manufacture a crazy amount of chips for everyone,
Pop quiz: What company will make the main CPU on every(yes every) next generation video game console, the big 3 (Sony (Microsoft (Nintendo ohhh ...
IBM yup thats right and after that what will set top boxes use?
IBM has sold almost all of their businesses and is working on becoming a micro chip manufacturing powerhouse (they where already their Motorola G4-G5 thanks to IBM) why are they cashing out in every business except C.P.U.'s ?
Its not a coincidence with the next Nintendo, Gamecube already uses an IBM CPU, Microsoft? weird that they chose IBM over Intel but they did, AND SONY? what after all that money Sony and Toshiba spent on the PS2 technology out the window Sony on IBM's balls big bad Sony with IBM
How you can all speak of this 3 letter company like they are obsolete...
How you can all speak of this 3 letter company like they are obsolete...
I agree with Barry G. Sony doesn't really care they have enough liquid assets and dumb customers(24p add on costing more than a DVX) around the world where they can survive.
Barry_Green said:
I.B.M. ? IBM is the most underrated company in semi-conductors, they sold all of there divisions,
If IBM is so dumb and bad then why did Panasonics father company (Matsushitas Hitachi) buy their hard drive devastations and technology.
IBM just sold their notebook division(they are not IBM's anymore) for a whole lot of $
They are a semi-conductor fab, the most powerful semi-conductor and enginering company in the world, do a little research, they manufacture a crazy amount of chips for everyone,
Pop quiz: What company will make the main CPU on every(yes every) next generation video game console, the big 3 (Sony (Microsoft (Nintendo ohhh ...
IBM yup thats right and after that what will set top boxes use?
IBM has sold almost all of their businesses and is working on becoming a micro chip manufacturing powerhouse (they where already their Motorola G4-G5 thanks to IBM) why are they cashing out in every business except C.P.U.'s ?
Its not a coincidence with the next Nintendo, Gamecube already uses an IBM CPU, Microsoft? weird that they chose IBM over Intel but they did, AND SONY? what after all that money Sony and Toshiba spent on the PS2 technology out the window Sony on IBM's balls big bad Sony with IBM
How you can all speak of this 3 letter company like they are obsolete...
Barry_Green
Moderator
I speak of IBM's leadership in computers as being obsolete because they don't even *make* personal computers anymore. They started the whole thing, and for the longest time they were #1 in PC sales, and now they don't even participate.
I'm not saying the company is obsolete, sheesh. Just like Sony is a whole lot more than a camcorder company.
But if they don't start listening to their customers, Sony can easily go the way of IBM in computers, or Sears in retailing (remember Sears? The world's biggest retailer? The one none of us here has stepped foot in in the last 10 years?)
Four years ago everyone was rabid for the next Sony product, and when Panasonic would announce something we'd all go "so?" Ain't that way anymore. The tables have turned. And yes, Sony will soldier on and they will make some decent products, but the days of people only buying Sony are either closed already, or are rapidly drawing to a close.
Of course, Sony could change that, if they'd just listen to their customers (and prospective customers) and at least *match* the competition, instead of pretending that what the competition's doing is irrelevant...
I'm not saying the company is obsolete, sheesh. Just like Sony is a whole lot more than a camcorder company.
But if they don't start listening to their customers, Sony can easily go the way of IBM in computers, or Sears in retailing (remember Sears? The world's biggest retailer? The one none of us here has stepped foot in in the last 10 years?)
Four years ago everyone was rabid for the next Sony product, and when Panasonic would announce something we'd all go "so?" Ain't that way anymore. The tables have turned. And yes, Sony will soldier on and they will make some decent products, but the days of people only buying Sony are either closed already, or are rapidly drawing to a close.
Of course, Sony could change that, if they'd just listen to their customers (and prospective customers) and at least *match* the competition, instead of pretending that what the competition's doing is irrelevant...
I think the word you're looking for is hubris. Sony has a habit of not giving the customer what they want or need, not just in camcorders, but in mp3 players as well. They lost big to apple because they tried to shove their own proprietary audio format down the customers throats.
Sony has been really struggling these past few years and they just got a new chief for their electronics divisions, and the guy isn't Japanese. It's the first time a non Japanese chief has assumed the role. Hopefully they'll swallow their pride and join the 24P(true 24) prosumer bandwagon.
Sony has been really struggling these past few years and they just got a new chief for their electronics divisions, and the guy isn't Japanese. It's the first time a non Japanese chief has assumed the role. Hopefully they'll swallow their pride and join the 24P(true 24) prosumer bandwagon.
Zig_Zigman
Well-known member
I was at a meeting of digerati last night and a guy there swears that Sony will be releasing a 24p cam soon. I put this in the "ok, sure" pile, but still. Sony could sell a lot of "Mini-Altas" if they felt they wanted to.
Not to bust anybody chops....but IBM *still* does make PC's and bookoos of servers as well.
I personally like their PC's. They are almost Mac PC's....and by that I mean they have ALOT of style. They can be quite expensive though, compared to a Dell.
You won't find them at your local Circuit City or Best Buy......you have to buy them staight from IBM directly. They are more geared toward businesses and not really the average consumer. The do exist though.
I think the reason that IBM has scaled their PC market WAY down is because there are soooo many other companies making them....the market is saturated and it really is hard to make money on PC's. Fortunately for DELL, they have taken the Microsoft / Walmart strategy......Infiltrate, Destroy, Rebuild!! :grin:
~reservoir~
I personally like their PC's. They are almost Mac PC's....and by that I mean they have ALOT of style. They can be quite expensive though, compared to a Dell.
You won't find them at your local Circuit City or Best Buy......you have to buy them staight from IBM directly. They are more geared toward businesses and not really the average consumer. The do exist though.
I think the reason that IBM has scaled their PC market WAY down is because there are soooo many other companies making them....the market is saturated and it really is hard to make money on PC's. Fortunately for DELL, they have taken the Microsoft / Walmart strategy......Infiltrate, Destroy, Rebuild!! :grin:
~reservoir~
thisiswells
Retired
Sony needs is to take one in the gut. They need to say, "we acknowledge some of our ideas haven't been very useful to you, we're going to try and change that"
As nonsensical as this sounds, and I know it will not happen, they should drop Blu-ray to avoid a
format controversy with HD-DVD. I think people that care about such things would recognise
the effort on Sony's part that they're "taking it in the gut" and would remember it when they
actually have enviable product line again someday. Just thoughts. I think if Blu-ray weren't
already established and being implemented with OEM's already they might have actually
pulled the plug. Of course, things being the way they are, it's a go ahead. Fun to toil over.
brian wells
As nonsensical as this sounds, and I know it will not happen, they should drop Blu-ray to avoid a
format controversy with HD-DVD. I think people that care about such things would recognise
the effort on Sony's part that they're "taking it in the gut" and would remember it when they
actually have enviable product line again someday. Just thoughts. I think if Blu-ray weren't
already established and being implemented with OEM's already they might have actually
pulled the plug. Of course, things being the way they are, it's a go ahead. Fun to toil over.
brian wells
thisiswells said:
I'll disagree here because I think Blu-ray is one of the few things Sony is doing *RIGHT*. Not only is it a superior format to HD-DVD, but they are gaining support from everybody....Studios, hardware manufacturers, etc. very quickly!! They are definately on track with this one.
And now I'll be pummeled by the *but HD-DVD is cheaper to make*......and *HD-DVD can be made on the same assembly lines as DVD* fanboys......but I hate to break it to you.....while this may somewhat true, it is just rhetoric and propaganda put out by the HD-DVD camp. Sorry!!
Sony....and the rest of the industry.....know's they have a winner in the making here.
~reservoir~
Barry_Green
Moderator
Yeah... except... Sony's already approached the HD-DVD camp twice, offering that maybe they should fold both standards together and just produce one product.
I'm hoping they do.
I'm hoping they do.