The world's first F1.8 full-frame mirrorless zoom has arrived...

EDIT: Forgot to mention. The Tamron 35-150 zoom ring operates in the same direction as the native Sony glass, the Nikon way, as opposed to the Canon way. Unlike some Sigmas that turn the Canon way. This often froze my muscle memory when using some Sigma glass that operated in the reverse direction.
I think you have that backwards. Nikon glass is the one that is different from Sony, Canon, PL, ENG, and almost every professional lens. I sold all my Nikon lenses for that very reason when I started using them for video, and realized that they turned the wrong way.
 
I don't know if reversing gears were available back then or not, but they're a great accessory for keeping manual Nikon glass relevant for video.
Yes, those exist, but not interested. For wildlife, sports, run & gun, I need my hand on the barrel of the lens for maximum control and finesse, not to mention making lens changes more difficult. I have no regrets dumping all my Nikon glass. If Nikon wants to do things backasswards, screw 'em.

I kept my 35mm F5, though. Too many great photos and memories with that body to just abandon it. I kept one 35-70mm lens just for it. Will it ever get used again? Probably not, but there's no stopping nostalgia.
 
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I think you have that backwards. Nikon glass is the one that is different from Sony, Canon, PL, ENG, and almost every professional lens. I sold all my Nikon lenses for that very reason when I started using them for video, and realized that they turned the wrong way.
To be clear, I was talking about the "zoom" direction, on the 35-150. Not the focus ring direction. The well known Nikon opposite focus was always a bug bear for those not muscle memory trained on Nikon lenses.

Basically these days, as I understand it, the focus world falls as follows. Bound to be exceptions, I think?

Chris Young

For Sony E-mount, L-Mount, Canon EF-M mount, and Micro Four Thirds mount :
The focus shifts clockwise to near distance and counterclockwise to far distance.
For FUJIFILM X Mount and Nikon Z mount :
The focus turns counterclockwise for short distances and clockwise for long distances.
 
Unlike focus, it doesn't matter to me at all which direction a lens zooms. It it is not a servo zoom I'm not going to be zooming "live" under any circumstances so direction of rotation is no big deal. I think most people use these cheap SLR zooms as variable primes, especially a 1.6x lens like the one that is the subject of this thread.
 
Unlike focus, it doesn't matter to me at all which direction a lens zooms. It it is not a servo zoom I'm not going to be zooming "live" under any circumstances so direction of rotation is no big deal. I think most people use these cheap SLR zooms as variable primes, especially a 1.6x lens like the one that is the subject of this thread.
Whether it matters to anyone, I don't think, is the issue. I'm just stating the fact that a few news shooters have said to me that they like it that when they are hustling for shots and when they change lenses, that they don't make the mistake of zooming the wrong way. It's just nice when things are consistent. Some of us like that. Like, my wife drives a Japanese car and I drive a German designed car. I always have to be aware when driving hers that the wipers and indicators are on the opposite sides of the steering column, otherwise I can turn left or right with the wipers, not good! If I'm not mindful. :)

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I don't know if reversing gears were available back then or not, but they're a great accessory for keeping manual Nikon glass relevant for video.
I used to use reverse gears with Nikon lenses, but it is a pain when you do a lens change to a non Nikon lens as you have two options, neither one is quick. Either change gears, the slowest, or change follow focus unit. Neither satisfactory if needing to operate fast. Modern zooms are getting so good that for most video work they are quicker to work with as they eliminate lens changes, the ingress of dust possibilities, and often they avoid having to rebalance tripods, gimbals etc. Plus, you have less to lug around, especially when flying.
 
Wow. Lloyd Chambers is uncharacteristically gushing about the sigma 28-45. So, there's your answer about the use case and the value of the lens.

I had wondered how I would like the Sigma 28-45/1.8 walking around for landscape photography.

I have not yet done any technical analysis (coming soon), but it’s obvious that the total image quality and visual impact is among the best I have ever seen with any lens on an camera, ever.

I am sure I will find technical shortcomings, but the images are so gorgeous that... so what. There are lens behaviors and rendering effects that truly suck (eg Hasselblad XCD "V" lenses) and then there are gems with strictly regulated optical behaviors that simultaneously please and delight with rendering style—the Sigma 28-45mm.

Compared to the Sigma 28-45, I deem the Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM II a respectable but lifeless and listless turd. It’s not even a contest.

Carrying it is not an issue, at least for me. I do support it while I hike, but I do that for all larger lenses.

The 28-45mm range feels limiting at first. Then I realized I was making better images than with either primes or zooms with its constrained zoom range. As I sensed years ago: too much zoom range confuses the mind (at least mine), and while a prime lens avoid that, a prime lens is a nuisance and loses me shots (frequent swapping of lenses).

The Sigma 28-45/1.8 is so good I will likely buy it, and here in 2024 that is a very high bar for me. Surely the best lens of the year unless some surprise emerges. Yep, it’s the golden age of photography.

Is it also the best 28mm lens available (by far) for Sony? Yes!

At about $1349, the value proposition is outrageously strong. Given its zoom range, I might even be inclined to say that it exceeds the Voigtlander APO lenses in value.
 
Never heard of him before, but he lost all credibility when he said . . . "too much zoom range confuses the mind". Obviously he doesn't shoot video for a living. If his mind can barely handle a 1.6x zoom, he'd probably become so confused by my 24x Fujinon that he'd have to be put into an institution to recover.
 
I always knew him as a computer guy, never even knew he reviewed lenses but looks like I totally missed that part about him (or when that started).
 
Never heard of him before, but he lost all credibility when he said . . . "too much zoom range confuses the mind". Obviously he doesn't shoot video for a living. If his mind can barely handle a 1.6x zoom, he'd probably become so confused by my 24x Fujinon that he'd have to be put into an institution to recover.
he doesn't shoot video. he's a landscape photographer. I don't really care for his work, but he's probably forgotten more about optics than I know. anyway, I think you asked who the lens is for and there's your answer. more importantly, he claims it's a stellar performer. and he's quite obnoxious when it comes to lenses, as you can tell by his description of the GM 24-70. I guess that's the question for me -- not that I'm going to buy the lens anyway. But if it's a really beautiful lens then it's a prime plus.
 
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Erm no. I shoot with primes.
I wasn't talking about you.

I was referring to the reviewer you quoted. He's not a video shooter and he has already stated that "zoom range confuses the mind". Therefore, his opinions need to be viewed in that light. The needs of still photographers are vastly different than the typical video shooter. Heck, 4K or even 8K video is pretty low resolution when compared to stills, and I believe that the "sharpest" lenses may not even provide significant differences on-screen for video. I'm not sying optical quality doesn't matter, I'm just saying that once you cross a certain threshold, the slight differences are often moot. Have you seen any actual VIDEO testing or comparisons to other lenses? I'd be interested in seeing such tests.

I never questioned the quality of this lens. It might provide the greatest image quality of any lens ever invented, for all I know. I am merely questioning why anyone who shoots professional video would be exited by a heavy bulky 1.6x zoom? Three primes in one? Hardly. More like 1.6 primes in one. Useless where I come from. Your view is different. We move in different circles.

Also, I should mention I'm not biased against the Sigma brand. I have a 35mm Sigma L-mount for my S1H that is a much better lens than my 35mm e-mount Sony.

Did yours arrive yet? What is your review after using it?
 
I wasn't talking about you.

I was referring to the reviewer you quoted. He's not a video shooter and he has already stated that "zoom range confuses the mind". Therefore, his opinions need to be viewed in that light. The needs of still photographers are vastly different than the typical video shooter. Heck, 4K or even 8K video is pretty low resolution when compared to stills, and I believe that the "sharpest" lenses may not even provide significant differences on-screen for video. I'm not sying optical quality doesn't matter, I'm just saying that once you cross a certain threshold, the slight differences are often moot. Have you seen any actual VIDEO testing or comparisons to other lenses? I'd be interested in seeing such tests.

I never questioned the quality of this lens. It might provide the greatest image quality of any lens ever invented, for all I know. I am merely questioning why anyone who shoots professional video would be exited by a heavy bulky 1.6x zoom? Three primes in one? Hardly. More like 1.6 primes in one. Useless where I come from. Your view is different. We move in different circles.

Also, I should mention I'm not biased against the Sigma brand. I have a 35mm Sigma L-mount for my S1H that is a much better lens than my 35mm e-mount Sony.

Did yours arrive yet? What is your review after using it?
3 primes because it can do almost what a 24 can do, it can do a 35, and almost a 50. It would probably be close enough for me to use it instead of those 3.

I'm not going to buy it. I want the fastest aperture available and would prefer a smaller lens. And I already own those 3 primes. But if the optical quality is really as good as he says it is then it could be useful for anybody wanting a prime in that range. When zoom ratio is more important, it's not going to satisfy anyone.

I've done myself a big favor by not buying every lens that catches my eye anymore. I mostly just use GM primes and am going to preorder the 85 GM v2 when it's announced on the 28th.

If they announce an a7siv later this year, I'll preorder that, too. I'm trying to maintain a narrow focus with gear purchases.
 
3 primes because it can do almost what a 24 can do, it can do a 35, and almost a 50.
I'm not going to buy it . . .
That's what I figured, and it does not surprise me because it is what i would call a great example of an "almost" lens. It's almost a wide angle. It's almost a 50mm. It's almost fast enough. It's almost small and light enough. It's almost cheap enough. And it almost has a usable zoom range. But taken as a whole, I just don't understand why anyone would care about this middle of the road lens for shooting video -- regardless if its purported image quality, which I have no reason to doubt. If you gave me this lens for free I don't think it'd ever get used.

In a nutshell, It's almost a lot of things. But there are better choices for video production. If any professional video shooter actually puts down their hard earned money for this lens I'd love to hear about it. Have any professional video shooters actually bought one for any other purpose than to make a review video for YouTube?
 
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That's what I figured, and it does not surprise me because it is what i would call a great example of an "almost" lens. It's almost a wide angle. It's almost a 50mm. It's almost fast enough. It's almost small and light enough. It's almost cheap enough. And it almost has a usable zoom range. But taken as a whole, I just don't understand why anyone would care about this middle of the road lens for shooting video -- regardless if its purported image quality, which I have no reason to doubt. If you gave me this lens for free I don't think it'd ever get used.

In a nutshell, It's almost a lot of things. But there are better choices for video production. If any professional video shooter actually puts down their hard earned money for this lens I'd love to hear about it. Have any professional video shooters actually bought one for any other purpose than to make a review video for YouTube?
Come to think of it, I think you're pretty off-base here. This lens is a spiritual descendant to the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 APS-C lens. And that lens was legendary. It seemed like I was the only wedding videographer who didn't have one. (I didn't love the character, but it was certainly sharper wide open than most of its competitors and it filled a niche for APS-C/m43.) The caveats are that it had a slightly bigger focal length range and that there was less competition in the APS-C space. But there's no doubt that tons of videographers used it, basically as a prime with some wiggle room. No, it didn't have a big range. But it was fast and it had solid optics and coatings.

As for the focal length range - if I used this it could definitely replace my 24, 35, and 50. I'm virtually never going to say to myself, "I can't get this shot! I'm only at 45mm but I need to go to 50mm." On the other end, you're more likely to run out of room. If you're at 28mm instead of 24mm, you may run into situations where you can't get the entire building or the entire group in frame, both because of the nature of the job that wides do and because it's a bigger relative difference in focal length. But if you're someone who could be satisfied with a 35mm as your wide, then 28 is fine. And I've debated with myself quite a lot if I want to go with 24mm or 35mm on my wide-angle camera at weddings. I've settled on the 24mm but a 28mm would be fine, possibly even preferable.

And if this lens actually outperforms all its competition (in the sub-$5k price range) on optics (which could be the case since it's such a short zoom range paired with a more manageable aperture and put in a package that really doesn't seem concerned with its weight), then it could be an enticing offering for anyone who wants top notch quality. The thing about Lloyd Chambers as a landscape photographer is that it's not just about how much detail can you get out of the glass but also how does the edge performance compare to the center and are the distortion and aberrations corrected optically. Sony makes such small lenses because they rely on post-correction for a whole suite of problems. And that's fine, I accept the trade-off. But there could be a market for this lens on optical quality alone, albeit a small one.

If I didn't mind living at f/1.8 (which I do) then I could use this lens on one camera plus a FF version of the Sigma 50-100 f/1.8 on another camera and shrink my wedding package from 3 cameras to 2.

The lens that has actually enticed me is the Tamron 35-150 f/2-2.8 because it covers a very useful range for weddings. But it's definitely not a top optical performer (though it's not bad) and the relatively slow aperture is a turn-off, not to mention the aperture ramping.
 
3 primes because it can do almost what a 24 can d

Come to think of it, I think you're pretty off-base here. This lens is a spiritual descendant to the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 APS-C lens. And that lens was legendary. It seemed like I was the only wedding videographer who didn't have one.
But it's not a 18-35mm, is it? That's my point. This lens is "almost" good enough it a lot of ways, but doesn't quite measure up when you look at all the shortcomings.

You know what your post sounds like? It sounds like me when I want to find a way to justify buying something I want, but don't really need. Keep squinting at the lens, running the scenarios over in your head, and looking at if from all sides, and you just might talk yourself into it if you try hard enough. :)
 
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But it's not a 18-35mm, is it? That's my point. This lens is "almost" good enough it a lot of ways, but doesn't quite measure up when you look at all the shortcomings.

You know what your post sounds like? It sounds like me when I want to find a way to justify buying something I want, but don't really need. Keep squinting at the lens, running the scenarios over in your head, and looking at if from all sides, and you just might talk yourself into it if you try hard enough. :)
I have no interest in buying this lens. I'm just saying there's a case to be made for it.

The 18-35 is aps-c, so the equivalent focal length is 28.8-56mm. A little bit more reach but a very similar range.

I like my GM's but it's not insane to me to imagine someone saying they don't want to shoot with dinky lenses that rely on post correction. They don't care about weight and just want it corrected in-lens. And then if this lens compares favorably to the prime lenses that overlap with the range, it might be the winner.

And the original point of the 18-35 was a fast lens with some zoom range. With ISO 12800, f/2.8 becomes less of an issue. Nevertheless, the only competitors I can think of are the Canon 28-70 f/2 or the upcoming Sony 24-70 f/2.
 
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