The Water's Edge
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some beautiful shots, compliments!
gotta get me one of those cranes
some beautiful shots, compliments!
gotta get me one of those cranes
disjecta
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Re: The Water's Edge
Pyriphlegethon
For the matting in Premiere Pro, I use the crop tool. The scope aspect I am talking about is 2:35 Cinemascope used by many big budget movies. Essentially it is about 75% vertical crop of the original 16:9 footage.
The crop tool is set in percentages so I crop the top and bottom by 12 each (I don't think you can define 1/2 percentages). It's not completely accurate but it's close enough.
Pyriphlegethon
For the matting in Premiere Pro, I use the crop tool. The scope aspect I am talking about is 2:35 Cinemascope used by many big budget movies. Essentially it is about 75% vertical crop of the original 16:9 footage.
The crop tool is set in percentages so I crop the top and bottom by 12 each (I don't think you can define 1/2 percentages). It's not completely accurate but it's close enough.
Pyriphlegethon
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Re: The Water's Edge
I like the beauty of crane shots, but it just made me think of a question. How do you keep focus in 24p with a crane shot?
I like the beauty of crane shots, but it just made me think of a question. How do you keep focus in 24p with a crane shot?
disjecta
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I used a wide aperture setting, I think it was maxed out at f16. That way, you get pretty much everything in focus because you have the widest depth of field. I was also at the widest angle, again another advantage for focus issues.
You can achieve this f-stop by using ND filters. I had the advantage of pretty bright light for the first two. For the descending crane shot, I spent some time focussing on the approximate location of the ducks but, again, given that the shot is at such a wide angle (4.5mm), anything out of the absolute focus range is not really noticeable.
If you are going to film, you need to be a lot more critical with shots like this.
I used a wide aperture setting, I think it was maxed out at f16. That way, you get pretty much everything in focus because you have the widest depth of field. I was also at the widest angle, again another advantage for focus issues.
You can achieve this f-stop by using ND filters. I had the advantage of pretty bright light for the first two. For the descending crane shot, I spent some time focussing on the approximate location of the ducks but, again, given that the shot is at such a wide angle (4.5mm), anything out of the absolute focus range is not really noticeable.
If you are going to film, you need to be a lot more critical with shots like this.
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disjecta, I've got a question about this 2:35 aspect ratio. I like it and would like to use it...
Usually, I shoot in squeezed mode, edit in widescreen and create 16:9 dvds (the dvd player is in charge of letterboxing it if played on a 4:3 TV). That way, the DVD is playable on eiher a 16:9 or 4:3 TV. For 2:35, If I shoot in squeezed mode, then crop the final movie to get a 2:35 ratio, is there a way to make 2:35 dvD? or is this ratio only a standard for films, not dvds and it will not be supported by dvd players? If so, I would have to output the movie letterboxed on dvd. Going in that direction, could I create a 16:9 dvd letterboxed to 2:35 or do I have to create a 4:3 dvd letterboxed to 2:35? If using the first solution, once played on a 4:3 tv, there would be a letterbox done by the dvd player and then a rendered letterbox inside the movie (16:9 to 2:35)...maybe the black would not be the exact same so we would see a 2 tints letterbox?! Sorry a lot of interrogations in this post!
disjecta, I've got a question about this 2:35 aspect ratio. I like it and would like to use it...
Usually, I shoot in squeezed mode, edit in widescreen and create 16:9 dvds (the dvd player is in charge of letterboxing it if played on a 4:3 TV). That way, the DVD is playable on eiher a 16:9 or 4:3 TV. For 2:35, If I shoot in squeezed mode, then crop the final movie to get a 2:35 ratio, is there a way to make 2:35 dvD? or is this ratio only a standard for films, not dvds and it will not be supported by dvd players? If so, I would have to output the movie letterboxed on dvd. Going in that direction, could I create a 16:9 dvd letterboxed to 2:35 or do I have to create a 4:3 dvd letterboxed to 2:35? If using the first solution, once played on a 4:3 tv, there would be a letterbox done by the dvd player and then a rendered letterbox inside the movie (16:9 to 2:35)...maybe the black would not be the exact same so we would see a 2 tints letterbox?! Sorry a lot of interrogations in this post!
disjecta
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Styves,
There is no 2:35 standard for DVD. You need to letterbox the 16:9 footage in you NLE to the 2:35 size and create a 16:9 DVD. The letterbox you created in your NLE appears as part of the footage, per se, so it has nothing to do with how the DVD creates letterboxes which are external to your file.
I've had problems before with the letterbox appearing in two shades as you say and I think I resolved it by manipulating the color space in the DVD prefs.... I can't remember exactly but there is a way around that problem.
I was using TMPGenc at that point and there are preference that allow you to change the color space.
I'm using Adobe Encore 1.5 to create 24p DVDs now and have had not issues with the letterbox color problem.
I'm sure I'm creating more questions than answers...
Styves,
There is no 2:35 standard for DVD. You need to letterbox the 16:9 footage in you NLE to the 2:35 size and create a 16:9 DVD. The letterbox you created in your NLE appears as part of the footage, per se, so it has nothing to do with how the DVD creates letterboxes which are external to your file.
I've had problems before with the letterbox appearing in two shades as you say and I think I resolved it by manipulating the color space in the DVD prefs.... I can't remember exactly but there is a way around that problem.
I was using TMPGenc at that point and there are preference that allow you to change the color space.
I'm using Adobe Encore 1.5 to create 24p DVDs now and have had not issues with the letterbox color problem.
I'm sure I'm creating more questions than answers...
robeditor2003
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Hey disjecta do you ever come to LA say like July 24 could use a DP? If not I have this picture of a place that you could give me some lighting ideas.
I could send it to you please email me
rburnsdirect@spymac.com
Hey disjecta do you ever come to LA say like July 24 could use a DP? If not I have this picture of a place that you could give me some lighting ideas.
I could send it to you please email me
rburnsdirect@spymac.com
Pyriphlegethon
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Re: The Water's Edge
I have another quick question... Sometimes this aperature thing confuses me, you said
---" I used a wide aperture setting, I think it was maxed out at f16."
Isn't this a narrow aperature setting--the higher the f-stop the lower the aperature?
---Thanks (again)!
I have another quick question... Sometimes this aperature thing confuses me, you said
---" I used a wide aperture setting, I think it was maxed out at f16."
Isn't this a narrow aperature setting--the higher the f-stop the lower the aperature?
---Thanks (again)!
Phil
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Wow. That's amazing.
I got into a conversation with a guy about how big the dvx is going to be, and he said "yeah, sure Mtv...but why aren't we seeing it on Discovery"...
With beautiful footage like this...it's only a matter of time.
Great job. Quite inspirational.
P.S. I LOVE macro focus shots, when I get a break at work, that's what I do...I loved your shot of the blade of grass with water on it, at around 2:24. Great shot.
Also...If you don't mind me asking, What do you do? What are your plans with the camera? If you say fun...hell, put together a dvd and I'll pay $20!
In the end it's all for fun...or rather, it should be!
Can't wait to see more.
Wow. That's amazing.
I got into a conversation with a guy about how big the dvx is going to be, and he said "yeah, sure Mtv...but why aren't we seeing it on Discovery"...
With beautiful footage like this...it's only a matter of time.
Great job. Quite inspirational.
P.S. I LOVE macro focus shots, when I get a break at work, that's what I do...I loved your shot of the blade of grass with water on it, at around 2:24. Great shot.
Also...If you don't mind me asking, What do you do? What are your plans with the camera? If you say fun...hell, put together a dvd and I'll pay $20!
In the end it's all for fun...or rather, it should be!
Can't wait to see more.
disjecta
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Thanks for the kudos, my intentions with the camera are answered in this post I started:
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=nws;action=display;num=1087508763
And to answer the post above, I, of course, meant with the iris closed down to f16...call it narrow if you will... I call it wide and yes, it's a contradiction...
Thanks for the kudos, my intentions with the camera are answered in this post I started:
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=nws;action=display;num=1087508763
And to answer the post above, I, of course, meant with the iris closed down to f16...call it narrow if you will...
I call it wide and yes, it's a contradiction...