The Watchmen

c.g._eads said:
Huh? I'm staying on topic. Discussion not trying to be swayed.

Anyway, so what is the Watchmen about?
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That's the point! You don't care. Nor will you like it so why bother?

Sorry, you go into every thread (especially the comic book based movies) and try to bash them. Even when you haven't seen them. You also don't even pay enough attention while watching to keep up with the plot, yet you don't mind bashing it based on mistakes caused by your own lack of attention.

Sorry man, I call them as I see them.

I won't waste anymore of your time though.
 
Saw the graphic novel in the bookstore and bought it today. Really digging it so far but it definitely doesn't scream "movie adaptation." It's more political commentary then superhero story. Whatever. God forbid Hollywood do something new.
 
First of all, this is a discussion board. Not an "everybody agree" board. If I have a strong opinion about something, I'm going to post it. To me, this trailer sucked. I don't see why I have to keep that to myself. Maybe the movie will be great. I don't know. I'd love to be proved wrong. I really *do* want to be entertained. But just the shot alone of Billy Crudup getting turned into ash/smoke or the big gold round thing at the end looked like 1998 CGI. I'm sorry but it did.

True I don't think comic book movies should be made (or any adapted material for that matter), but to say that that doesn't allow me to have an opinion on them is silly. People may not agree with my opinion, but to imply I shouldn't be posting it is ridiculous.

Hey, Batman lost my attention. it was a long movie with a lot going on. I think that my attention span wandered because of that. I'm sure you've watched movies that started to get boring and you couldn't recall the exact details of either. Batman is supposed to be the gold standard for comic book movies- and I'll give pretty much anything a chance if it gets above 90% on rotten tomatoes. That tells me that the movie goes beyond comic book fans and appeals to the general public. I knew I probably wasn't going to like it but that's not to say I didn't give it a chance.

So I'll try to bring this back on topic. For someone who knows the story, what is Watchmen about and why is it thought of as better than any other comic book? I'm really interested to know.
 
...the big gold round thing at the end looked like 1998 CGI. I'm sorry but it did.
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I would have assumed everyone thought that. Did anyone think that looked good?


As for the story, I've heard it as a combination of Heroes and The Incredibles.

Here is the first paragraph from the IMDB synopsis:

In a gritty and alternate 1985 the glory days of costumed vigilantes have been brought to a close by a government crackdown, but after one of the masked veterans is brutally murdered an investigation into the killer is initiated. The reunited heroes set out to prevent their own destruction, but in doing so discover a deeper and far more diabolical plot.
 
Wikipedia will tell you everything you need to know to get what's up.

In this case, my excitement for it is definitely tied to my memories of the comic. Just like Dark Knight, and the birth of the "graphic novel," the 80s saw a re-imagining of super-heros, as more adult characters with adult problems.

Of course Marvel had done this long before to a degree. But Watchmen was a comic MEANT for adults. And I think that kind of thing really took off in the 80s. Cerebus, Watchmen, Dark Knight, there are many like them that were not really intended for kids at all.
 
Sorry, this is a bit of a sidestep, but Mark mentioning Marvel comics with adult problems made me think of it.

Do you think there is a market for Marvel to produce an adult, R rated comic film that can exist alongside the PG popcorn fare?
 
Well I dunno about R-rated, but isn't that kind of what we're getting with the Batman re-boot? And possibly Watchmen? And what Ang Lee tried to do with the Hulk? And Sin City?

Or are you asking about Marvel in particular? I dunno.
 
GageFX said:
Sorry, this is a bit of a sidestep, but Mark mentioning Marvel comics with adult problems made me think of it.

Do you think there is a market for Marvel to produce an adult, R rated comic film that can exist alongside the PG popcorn fare?
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They're probably worried that an R won't put enough butts in seats. They don't want to give up that 14-17 year-old boy demographic.
 
I've never read the Watchmen, so it's not like I'm a defensive fanboy. But do you think that the cgi in the trailer is final? There's still about eight or so months left until its release. Perhaps the final rendered versions will be better? I don't know. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and see it anyway, because the concept sounds interesting to me. Maybe I'll pick up the book while I'm at comic-con next week.
 
That's a good point. Obviously the movie is a long ways away and playing in front of the Dark Knight was an absolute necessity for the marketing department. It would explain why the trailer felt very rushed and kinda unfocused.

Could be.
 
c.g._eads said:
First of all, this is a discussion board. Not an "everybody agree" board. If I have a strong opinion about something, I'm going to post it. To me, this trailer sucked. I don't see why I have to keep that to myself. Maybe the movie will be great. I don't know. I'd love to be proved wrong. I really *do* want to be entertained. But just the shot alone of Billy Crudup getting turned into ash/smoke or the big gold round thing at the end looked like 1998 CGI. I'm sorry but it did.

True I don't think comic book movies should be made (or any adapted material for that matter), but to say that that doesn't allow me to have an opinion on them is silly. People may not agree with my opinion, but to imply I shouldn't be posting it is ridiculous.
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Not at all. If you can troll the forums with flame bait I can call you out on it. It's really that simple.

You keep bashing movies that you've already stated that you won't even like and I'll keep asking why you even bother. If I were a MAC guy and all I did was troll the MS forums and bash them... that would be trolling. What you are doing is nothing less.

Pretending to show an interest in the story to try and get things back on track after posting that even the creator thinks this movie sucks is a sad attempt.

Looking at your posting history in this forum makes things all too clear for anyone with any doubts.

The comment about Batman was hilarious. You couldn't follow the story and now you're using excuses as to why you missed the switch up by The Joker. You didn't do that initially.

I can agree with someone who critiques movies unbiasedly. With you that's not the case. We already knew what your review was going to be like before you even posted it. That should really tell you something.

EDIT: Taken from the sticky in this forum.
Don’t threadcrap. If someone posts about a film and you don’t like it, feel free to state your reasons why you didn’t enjoy it. However, don’t come blasting with “The Guns of Navarone” and say, “Gee, Jane Whatsherface sucks. She makes me ill. I spit on her.” Not cool. Say it once, back it up, and move on.
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Your posts in the Hulk thread are a great examples of legendary threadcrapping. :D

Cheers,

Mike
 
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I'm starting to think your attacks are personal. I don't know if it's because you hold these movies too preciously and you're offended when someone doesn't like them or you just don't like me.

Anyway, I'll try to defend myself.

As far as bashing movies I know I won't like ahead of time. We've established that I don't like most comic book movies. But as someone who is involved in the entertainment industry, I do need to watch all of the biggest movies. I mean, could you imagine if I walked into a development executive's office and they asked me, "What did you think of The Dark Knight?" And I replied that I hadn't seen it? The movie with the biggest opening weekend of all time? I'd get laughed out of the room. Either way, I wanted to see this movie (Batman) because out of all the comic book movies, this would be the one that had the best chance of being good (along with that I like Nolan - and it was getting such great reviews). So I saw it. And guess what? I didn't like it. So I post my opinion on the movie. And basically you tell me that I just didn't get it. Whereas I tell you I didn't get it because I was bored. You can believe that I'm dumb and don't understand movies or you can believe that I lost interest and stopped paying attention. Judging from your past posts you'll probably assume the first. I don't think I can change that opinion so I'll stop arguing with you about it.

I really did want to know what Watchmen was about from someone who was passionate about it. I found it interesting that the creator himself didn't want the movie made so I posted the article. Yes, I agree with him. It's on topic (albeit negatively) so there shouldn't be an issue here.

My posting history shows that I'm not a comic-book fan. But I will give comic book movies that look well put together or have elements that I like (cast, director, etc.) a chance. Hellboy 2, on the flipside, is a movie I knew I'd hate. So I didn't see it. That might be a good place for you to post. I will not post there.

No, you knew what my reveiw was *probably* going to be. I went into Batman giving it a chance and - in my opinion - it didn't deliver. I realize that for a lot of people, it did. For me, it did not. So I posted my review and I agreed with you that on that one particular point regarding the rachel/harvey choice (out of my 8 points for why I didn't like it) that there's a good argument for why I was wrong. That doesn't erase the other 7 reasons and make me an idiot for not liking Batman.

This Watchmen deal. It's interesting. I came down hard on the preview because so many people have been talking about how great this is going to be for so long. I was expecting something that would blow me away. I'm sorry but that trailer didn't blow me away. It looked rushed and hackey.

Doesn't mean the movie won't be good. And it doesn't mean I won't see it. And - get ready for this - it doesn't mean I won't post a review of it here. It might happen. Although this may be your dream, I think the worst-case scenario is when I stop reviewing these films. Cause then it means I'm indifferent. At least now they're doing *something* to me.
 
c.g._eads said:
I'm starting to think your attacks are personal. I don't know if it's because you hold these movies too preciously and you're offended when someone doesn't like them or you just don't like me.
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Nope. You are simply breaking a posted rule and I'm bringing it to light.
You don't like these movies and you have no qualms about letting the entire forum know it. Over and over again in most cases. That's where you cross the line.

I don't like all comic book movies. I hated X-Men 3 for example. My post history will back that up as well. Yet I didn't feel the need to fill the thread with my distaste for it over and over again. Once more, that would be against the rules.
You've been challenged on this point by other members, you just ignore it.

I guess I'm just getting sick of it and it really brings this forum down.

Mike
 
mcgeedigital said:
Moving on......:violin:
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I agree. I'm just as guilty, but as long as he is free to infect every comic book movie thread I should be allowed to point it out.

Get's annoying after a while doesn't it?
Well, try going back to The Hulk thread and see what he did to that one.
I'm hoping a Mod will step in and not allow that to happen here.
I've reported this thread.

Mike
 
Is this going to fit into a 2 hour movie?
Does any know if they plan on telling this story in parts? Like a trilogy?
Seems like a lot to bite off for one movie.

My memory is vague though, it has been a long time since I've read it.

Mike
 
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